Feral kids.

winterwhite

I think we are seeing some chickens coming home to roost, namely the result of the neglectful treatment of children and schools during the worst Covid years.
Schools closed for months, and children without access to home computers falling behind and becoming fed up and disillusioned. Children stuck indoors and unable to socialise just when they needed to for their social development.
Teachers undervalued, more and more responsibilities heaped on schools with no additional funding. School buildings crumbling.
Lack of post-16 opportunities and scarcity of jobs for school leavers leading to lack of self worth.
What else do we expect?

Absolutely this!

Was it Boris Johnson who suggested having water cannon for just this sort of situation?
In short, they are doing it because they can. We have bred a generation of savages. If they behave like wild animals, treat them accordingly. Round them up and put them in a secure enclosure. Make the parents pay to have them released

What a grotesque view of the world. You may have bred savages - I have not, nor have my family, neighbours and friends.
As for Boris Johnson - he was a roving hooligan, vandal and thug. Have you forgotten his destructive behaviour with his wealthy privileged friends in the Bullingdon Club?

henetha

I have seen, over my lifetime, the erosion of all the old punishments and controls that kept children civilised.
No-one wants a return to children being caned, etc, but we do need to be a whole lot firmer with them, starting from when they are very young. At home and at school.
It's also the closing down of amenities, youth clubs etc for teenagers to keep them off the streets; the dreadful lack of mental health facilities; and the influence of social media.
Not just on children. So many times I have seen mums in cafes or parks completely lost in their phone while their children are causing havoc.

Spot on, Henetha.

The current policy with problem families is to move them into one areas or street so they can annoy each other and the police know where to look if there are problems. Those that can afford it move away from those areas to nicer trouble free areas.
So the poorest unstable families are left to rot in ghettos instead of helping them improve, because it's easier and cheaper

Oh yes the Bullingdon Club. It's okay for posh boys to vandalise?

The recent fine given to Zuckerberg is the first serious attempt to 'control' the effects of social media.
More needs to be done, and soon.

David49

The current policy with problem families is to move them into one areas or street so they can annoy each other and the police know where to look if there are problems. Those that can afford it move away from those areas to nicer trouble free areas.
So the poorest unstable families are left to rot in ghettos instead of helping them improve, because it's easier and cheaper

It's wrong to label all the members of a family "problem".

I met one such young man from a " problem" family, and he was only a problem for some people because he was a lower class tearaway. if he had been a member of the local upper classes he would have been accepted.

I have just been reading what the MS CEO is saying this morning about shoplifting and abuse and violence towards his staff especially after the organised gathering of children and teenagers in Clapham. He is calling for additional police resources of course and that this increasing problem be reviewed by all disciplines.
I feel quite vulnerablr now which I have never felt before. I am glad we dont have a gun culture as Joe Public would be arming himself, but I have no means of defending myself shoulf I ever need to.

Rolling pin in my shopping trolley? Can of baked beans in a sock? Of course I would end up in court and the miscreants get off. It's all very dispiriting. Many people of my age must feel quite scared and I expect some have been living with this fear for many years.

What is the answer? Dont go down the caning route for goodness sake. That doesnt solve anything and never has. Fine the parents for a start if the offende is a child/teenager. And better store security linked with increased local police recources for the organised shop lifting. With follow ip convictions. Really heavy fines as the prisons are overcrowded.

JPB123

I went to a local supermarket today,thankfully it was only for a few bits.There were children running round,screaming, shouting at parents ,toddlers crying.The lady on the check out said ,it’s hell when it’s school holidays…..

I’m afraid that sounds pretty normal - toddlers do tend to cry, small children do like running around.
But this sort of behaviour reflects inadequate parenting at source doesn’t it?
That said I remember D1 having a major meltdown aged 2 in the middle of Sainsbury’s. Oh the shame!

What we are reading in the papers is a wholly different thing.

What happened in the 70s here was that a lot of inner city areas were redeveloped and families relocated itoquiet country towns.New estates became the breeding ground for some of this uncivilised behaviour.It was very obvious when I was a sub teacher and and saw the breakdown of discipline in previously lovely schools often caused by these blow ins.

RosiesMawagain

JPB123

I went to a local supermarket today,thankfully it was only for a few bits.There were children running round,screaming, shouting at parents ,toddlers crying.The lady on the check out said ,it’s hell when it’s school holidays…..

I’m afraid that sounds pretty normal - toddlers do tend to cry, small children do like running around.
But this sort of behaviour reflects inadequate parenting at source doesn’t it?
That said I remember D1 having a major meltdown aged 2 in the middle of Sainsbury’s. Oh the shame!

What we are reading in the papers is a wholly different thing.

A toddler was having a meltdown in Tesco this morning. He was really loud and I knew just how he felt because I felt like having a meltdown too.

And oh, the shame too, when my two younger DC decided to disappear and have a game of tick in Woolworths once, when I was paying at the till.

That was before mobile phones.

Just last week there were two instances in the same place, outside a bus station where one man walking past some teenagers was attacked in broad daylight, had to be taken to hospital, police are treating it as attempted murder, next day same place a man got off a bus. was attacked by teenagers,
It makes you scared to go out.

Yesterday in my Essex town there was a smaller scale version of this. About 20 teenagers nearly all wearing black hoods and balaclavas stormed into the local Macdonalds and started swearing, shouting and the chairs around. DH was in the shop next door and called the police. They arrived in less than 5 minutes. It’s thought that the kids had come by train and ran back to the station but the police intended to follow them.

Sorry. Throwing the chairs around

Tik Tok is owned by a Chinese technology company.
Are they inciting civil unrest?

Allira. Years ago we wouldn't have thought that was possible. Of course today it is.

I read a report from the Brighton Evening Argus recently about large numbers of rival gangs of young men arriving at the town on a bank holiday and damaging shops and smashing deck chairs.

The report was from the archives and referred to mods and rockers it was dated 1964. The young men involved would now be in their late seventies or in their eighties.

Magenta8

I read a report from the Brighton Evening Argus recently about large numbers of rival gangs of young men arriving at the town on a bank holiday and damaging shops and smashing deck chairs.

The report was from the archives and referred to mods and rockers it was dated 1964. The young men involved would now be in their late seventies or in their eighties.

See my post Wednesday at 17:24.

If/when the youngsters are arrested, is it the case that their phones may be taken from them?
If so, their social histories may be examined.
Experts could trace back the origins of the 'mob riot' prompt.
Legislation could be introduced to make 'incitement' a crime.
That would help.

winterwhite

I think we are seeing some chickens coming home to roost, namely the result of the neglectful treatment of children and schools during the worst Covid years.
Schools closed for months, and children without access to home computers falling behind and becoming fed up and disillusioned. Children stuck indoors and unable to socialise just when they needed to for their social development.
Teachers undervalued, more and more responsibilities heaped on schools with no additional funding. School buildings crumbling.
Lack of post-16 opportunities and scarcity of jobs for school leavers leading to lack of self worth.
What else do we expect?

Haven't heard this one for a while. Which schools were closed for months?
Teachers were in school working
• with children of key workers (and those from other families with specific needs eg vulnerable children)
• they were providing lessons on Zoom (told on the Friday that they'd need Zoom lessons for Monday - with no training whatsoever)
• they were posting paper resources, and trying to organise computers for those pupils without laptops/tablets/smart phones
• some schools had staff delivering lesson resources to homes
• some schools even had staff delivering food to FSM kids to homes

A few years later, its remembered as schools were shut for months

Yes Chardy I agree.

As well as Zoom lessons my GCs' schools sent written work daily online and the teachers continued to mark it. They even opened for small numbers of children using masks and strict social distancing.

Far from closing schools every effort was made by teachers to keep going and they often went over and above in their determination to minimise the disruption caused by Covid.

JPB123

I went to a local supermarket today,thankfully it was only for a few bits.There were children running round,screaming, shouting at parents ,toddlers crying.The lady on the check out said ,it’s hell when it’s school holidays…..

I presume you wrote that with 'tongue in cheek' so to speak as it has no bearing on the OP post and what is being discussed!

Just yesterday in our village a gang of kids were rampaging round the streets well after midnight and chased and attacked an Asian person.

Today the same gang were seen braking branches off trees and throwing them at the ducks on the pond. Someone posted on the local FB page and the mother accused the poster of stopping kids having fun. Then one of the kids wrote a very abusive post with dreadful spelling and grammar with every other word ‘like’. The post basically called the objectors silly old fs and accused them of spoiling a little bit of pleasure as there was nothing else to do. They closed the youth club because of bad behaviour. I will add there are lots of lovely young people who live here, polite and friendly.

Gin

Just yesterday in our village a gang of kids were rampaging round the streets well after midnight and chased and attacked an Asian person.

Today the same gang were seen braking branches off trees and throwing them at the ducks on the pond. Someone posted on the local FB page and the mother accused the poster of stopping kids having fun. Then one of the kids wrote a very abusive post with dreadful spelling and grammar with every other word ‘like’. The post basically called the objectors silly old fs and accused them of spoiling a little bit of pleasure as there was nothing else to do. They closed the youth club because of bad behaviour. I will add there are lots of lovely young people who live here, polite and friendly.

1960s-70s our family lived in a small seaside village. Our boys and their friends were a great gang who had lovely times together and are still friends.
A village householder kindly let them use his summerhouse which (unusually) opened on to a public open space.

A gang of youths from the nearby market town came to the village and burned down the summer house. Those youths were known to the police. Maybe psychologists know what causes some youths to be destructive.

It's the internet which enables word to spread more easily now.

There were always gangs of feral youths but they are larger now.