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Are White British Men somehow “disadvantaged”

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Cossy Wed 10-Jun-26 19:41:11

Foxie thanks for clarifying. Personally I don’t think “positive action” is a bad thing and I certainly don’t want to see DEI disappearing or watered down. Nor do I wish to see a watered down version of the equality act.

To me and so many others it would be a totally retrograde step.

Tuliptree Wed 10-Jun-26 19:39:04

foxie48

Positive discrimination has been illegal in the UK since 2010, people are getting confused with "positive discrimination" which is illegal and "positive action" which is legal and is about removing the barriers to equality so that everyone has a fair opportunity. There is so much misunderstanding about DEI that I despair!

You and me both

foxie48 Wed 10-Jun-26 19:37:00

Positive discrimination has been illegal in the UK since 2010, people are getting confused with "positive discrimination" which is illegal and "positive action" which is legal and is about removing the barriers to equality so that everyone has a fair opportunity. There is so much misunderstanding about DEI that I despair!

Cossy Wed 10-Jun-26 19:34:14

Oreo I think many boys would. My grandson is about to start an all boys secondary school (state non-selective) in September, I’ll report back.

My only fear, for want of a better word, is that boys and girls do need to interact during puberty and teens, so educating them both separately is great, so long as they get the chance to do other activities mixing with each other. Our DGS dances and does musical theatre where he and the other few male dancers are surrounded by girls!

Tuliptree Wed 10-Jun-26 19:33:13

Ask David Cameron, Boris Johnson, Prince William ……

MT62 Wed 10-Jun-26 19:32:46

Cossy

Sorry about typos in my posts. I was one of those girls for whom concentration was very hard!

Me too 👍🏻🙄

Oreo Wed 10-Jun-26 19:29:57

Cossy

Sorry about typos in my posts. I was one of those girls for whom concentration was very hard!

Join the club😂

Oreo Wed 10-Jun-26 19:29:20

I do wonder if boys would respond better to an all boys school from aged 11 with lots of male teachers and plenty of sports?

Cossy Wed 10-Jun-26 19:27:55

Sorry about typos in my posts. I was one of those girls for whom concentration was very hard!

Cossy Wed 10-Jun-26 19:26:16

Luckygirl but this applies to all boys, not just British White Boys, and it is a huge generalisation. Some boys are much more placid and patience and some girls are unable to sit still for more than five minutes.

I do think, as an aside, we start our “formal” education too early.

Luckygirl3 Wed 10-Jun-26 19:16:44

I think it starts in the education system which undoubtedly favours girls, who are better able to sit and concentrate than boys. Big generalisation of course, but this is what I have observed.

School represents a child's first experience of the British "system" that they experience and if that is frustrating then it sets up a negative expectation.

The rigid teaching to the test mentality that came with Gove is hugely disadvantageous to boys.

Cossy Wed 10-Jun-26 19:16:14

Galaxy I agree with everything to say, BUT do all these thing apply only to British White Men?

🤷🏻‍♀️

Galaxy Wed 10-Jun-26 19:11:48

They are disadvantaged in some areas and advantaged in some.
Boys frequently perform worse than girls in education, men are more likely to commit suicide, they are more likely to experience violence, particularly stranger violence. They figure highly in jobs which are dangerous. I can list the advantages as well but generally they are more obvious.

Cossy Wed 10-Jun-26 19:05:01

So, on another thread a male contributor raised a point about why he feels 1) Diversity and Equality laws have “gone too far and 2) why (in his opinion) White British Men support Reform.

I think we should explore this further as I’d like to understand why W.B.M. apparently feel this way and if Reform is the panacea for these feeling of what I can only describe as “WBM feeling somehow subjugated, oppressed, left our, ignored”

In my lifetime I’ve seen a lot of extremely positive changes made to all sorts of different lives and opportunities.

I don’t think “positive discrimination” was the answer, but can understand completely why this was used. Clearly, to me, this was used to ensure groups who might otherwise be overlooked were given opportunities to prove themselves.

Positive discrimination is rarely used now, especially in job application situations.

However, there is a box you can tick in England on any public sector role if you’re disabled. If said box is ticked, AND the applicant reaches the minimum level required, a guaranteed interview will be given. This will apply to EVERYONE, irrespective of colour/race/age and includes WBM.

Exactly what is it that Reform as specifically offering to White British Men and Women, that is different or special from any other political party?

In my own friendship group, I have no Reform supporters, nor have I heard W.B.M. complain or even comment that they’ve been “overlooked” at all in their personal or professional lives. Ditto those W.B.M. in our own immediate and extended family.

I have to admit, I was thoroughly shocked to read the line about women taking jobs that belong to men?

Let’s try and keep this pleasant please, but some opinions expressed around this entire topic have utterly dumbfounded me.