Harry and Meghan. UK Visit.

Furret

Silvershadow

They’re not a young family though are they? They re both in their mid 40s. Any dislike of them is solely as a result of their own actions. Of course Harry was smiling and larking around for the cameras. That’s what he does and it’s worked in the past for him cheeky chapped Harry, must forgive him anything because he walked behind his mother’s coffin. Never mind he slagged of the whole family in print, his wife’s relentless envy of Catherine, the stress on the Queen, Prince Phillip, Charles and Camilla, William and Kate. So long as this selfish man is acting the happy happy we must all like him.

Funnily enough William also lost his mother, walked behind that same coffin. He’s not trying to bring down a newspaper, ruin the careers of journalists simply doing their jobs, slipping pills into the tongue of a young girl at a house party, stripping of naked in Las Vegas, writing tell all books in which he luridly describes his todger and that of his brother. I could list much more.

But so long as happy chappy Harry is laughing and acting the clown, getting what he wants, taking absolutely no responsibility and always blaming others then that’s ok then. Never mind everyone else he infects with his behaviour.

Young couple, they are both mid 40s. Time to grow up.

Not a critical thinker then?

Well you cant help that but at least you’re honest about your own failings.

Silvershadow

They’re not a young family though are they? They re both in their mid 40s. Any dislike of them is solely as a result of their own actions. Of course Harry was smiling and larking around for the cameras. That’s what he does and it’s worked in the past for him cheeky chapped Harry, must forgive him anything because he walked behind his mother’s coffin. Never mind he slagged of the whole family in print, his wife’s relentless envy of Catherine, the stress on the Queen, Prince Phillip, Charles and Camilla, William and Kate. So long as this selfish man is acting the happy happy we must all like him.

Funnily enough William also lost his mother, walked behind that same coffin. He’s not trying to bring down a newspaper, ruin the careers of journalists simply doing their jobs, slipping pills into the tongue of a young girl at a house party, stripping of naked in Las Vegas, writing tell all books in which he luridly describes his todger and that of his brother. I could list much more.

But so long as happy chappy Harry is laughing and acting the clown, getting what he wants, taking absolutely no responsibility and always blaming others then that’s ok then. Never mind everyone else he infects with his behaviour.

Young couple, they are both mid 40s. Time to grow up.

Not a critical thinker then?

Absolutely Silvershadow
High time he grew up. That 'cheeky chap' act is looking embarrassing now...

Furret

I’m not going to read the previous 20 pages because I know I’ll end up spluttering in rage. I’ll pin my flag to the mast now and declare myself on Team Megan.

Harry is a good man. He had his reasons for not going into the Family Business. Good reasons.

Yes but now he wants back in, doesn’t he. Funny that.

They’re not a young family though are they? They re both in their mid 40s. Any dislike of them is solely as a result of their own actions. Of course Harry was smiling and larking around for the cameras. That’s what he does and it’s worked in the past for him cheeky chapped Harry, must forgive him anything because he walked behind his mother’s coffin. Never mind he slagged of the whole family in print, his wife’s relentless envy of Catherine, the stress on the Queen, Prince Phillip, Charles and Camilla, William and Kate. So long as this selfish man is acting the happy happy we must all like him.

Funnily enough William also lost his mother, walked behind that same coffin. He’s not trying to bring down a newspaper, ruin the careers of journalists simply doing their jobs, slipping pills into the tongue of a young girl at a house party, stripping of naked in Las Vegas, writing tell all books in which he luridly describes his todger and that of his brother. I could list much more.

But so long as happy chappy Harry is laughing and acting the clown, getting what he wants, taking absolutely no responsibility and always blaming others then that’s ok then. Never mind everyone else he infects with his behaviour.

Young couple, they are both mid 40s. Time to grow up.

I’m not going to read the previous 20 pages because I know I’ll end up spluttering in rage. I’ll pin my flag to the mast now and declare myself on Team Megan.

Harry is a good man. He had his reasons for not going into the Family Business. Good reasons.

People are indeed entitled to their opinions. That goes without saying.

Mine is that it is unkind and unnecessary to criticise this young family who are dealing with a family rift. And that this is one of the things that contributes to them feeling they need protection in the UK.

I would add that your post of 11.08 Luckygirl is many times more intrusive
What we have is a broken family whose problems have inevitably been played out in the public arena. These things go on all the the time in life with ordinary families. Could he have made better decisions when the fall-out happened? - probably, but he was hurt and feeling defensive, something that happens to many of us. Could Charles and the rest of the royal family have treated him and Megan better? - probably, but they are all the product of a very odd upbringing, and we are all influenced by our childhood experiences
Your comment about odd upbringings implies special —insider— knowledge
BT W it’s Meghan and * the King*.

And there it is again - analysing their relationship and criticising and reading negative things into his/her every move, when it is truly absolutely none of our business.

Why do people feel the need to do this? What does it achieve? Who does it help? Is it kind?
OK.
What exactly is unkind about commenting on the happy and relaxed Harry we have seen over the last few days?
What exactly is wrong with an expressing an opinion based on personal observation?
I think it is just as out of order, prurient and virtue signalling to take part in a thread and castigate others just because their opinion doesn’t chime with your own.

People are as entitled to their opinions as you are Luckygirl13. No point in trying to preach about it.

Calendargirl

MawsRosie

I don’t know if I am reading too much into it but the happy Harry, reminding us of how he used to be - relaxed, empathetic, approachable, smiling, larking around tactile and free with his hugs- made me think how different he is when Meghan is around, clutching his arm, somehow deflecting the attention on herself and reducing him to her shadow.
My imagination? Maybe, but what a different memory he has left us with.

No. It’s not your imagination Maws.

He only seems to be ‘himself’ when not with Meg, clinging to him like a limpet, subtly directing his every move with a hand, arm, interjection….

And there it is again - analysing their relationship and criticising and reading negative things into his/her every move, when it is truly absolutely none of our business.

Why do people feel the need to do this? What does it achieve? Who does it help? Is it kind?

It is this sort of relentless insidious negativity and unpleasantness that makes him feel the need to ask for protection.

Let's just leave them be. They are doing us no harm.

MawsRosie

I don’t know if I am reading too much into it but the happy Harry, reminding us of how he used to be - relaxed, empathetic, approachable, smiling, larking around tactile and free with his hugs- made me think how different he is when Meghan is around, clutching his arm, somehow deflecting the attention on herself and reducing him to her shadow.
My imagination? Maybe, but what a different memory he has left us with.

No. It’s not your imagination Maws.

He only seems to be ‘himself’ when not with Meg, clinging to him like a limpet, subtly directing his every move with a hand, arm, interjection….

The forbidding is monetising Royalty - whatever he does, his royal birth will be a fact; and that fact means that people will pay him money just to be ...... there will be no source of income that he can employ that is not influenced by who he is and the family into which he was born.

I do not think there is any "half in, half out." He is not pursuing royal commitments at all, but he did start the Invictus Games which have been a great success and helped many. His support for this has been nothing but positive. But it is not a royal engagement - it is a chosen piece of charitable work.

Whatever he does will contain an element of celebrity because that is what he is, like it or not.

What we have is a broken family whose problems have inevitably been played out in the public arena. These things go on all the the time in life with ordinary families. Could he have made better decisions when the fall-out happened? - probably, but he was hurt and feeling defensive, something that happens to many of us. Could Charles and the rest of the royal family have treated him and Megan better? - probably, but they are all the product of a very odd upbringing, and we are all influenced by our childhood experiences.

The bitterness and venom that is levelled at this young couple is a poor representation of who we all are as Brits. This is a young family for whom wider family relations have gone awry with rights and wrongs on both sides, as is nearly always the case. I find it distressing that natural kindness has gone out of the window for many.

I don’t know if I am reading too much into it but the happy Harry, reminding us of how he used to be - relaxed, empathetic, approachable, smiling, larking around tactile and free with his hugs- made me think how different he is when Meghan is around, clutching his arm, somehow deflecting the attention on herself and reducing him to her shadow.
My imagination? Maybe, but what a different memory he has left us with.

Did he?
I posted a video of him talking about the invictus games just a short time after being told he wouldn't get security.
He seemed fine.

But he did make a song and dance about it!

An excellent summary eazybee.

So what exactly is the problem?
He asked for security and didn't get it.
He came over anyway, without making a big song and dance of it.

Whats the issue??

Harry is of royal birth, which brings with it privileges as well as prohibitions, but so too were his cousins, Zara & Peter, Beatrice &Eugenie, Louise and James. At one time they were in the line of succession and received some protection which I believe ended when they became adult and were not working royals, this being one of Andrew's many gripes. The cousins all seem to have found comfortable private lives with occasional publicity. This was what Harry appeared to want when he chose to leave the inner circle of his family.

His desire to be 'half-in, half-out,' of the working royal family was refused by the late Queen, and endorsed by the King. Harry's refusal to accept his loss of status and accompanying privileges forms the basis of his grudge against his father. His vulnerability is compounded by his foolish behaviour in publishing a book detailing his activities in Afghanistan, against Armed Forces protocol, while ensuring he receives maximum publicity for his (and Meghan's) activities here and abroad. Unless of course, they suddenly demand privacy; the recent will-they won't they visit to London just highlighted their rudeness.

His obsession with the Press stems from his mother's death, avoidable had she followed the bodyguard's advice.
Harry's mental health issues stem more from his limited understanding of the fact that royal birth does not carry immunity from normal standards of behaviour (as Andrew discovered), that actions have consequences, and an inability to accept that he is the author of his own misfortunes.

I think MarieElla's right Iam.

He needs to take responsibility for his own actions. Unfortunately his propensity to blame his childhood for everything he sees as having gone wrong in his life, merely feeds his victim hood.

He may not be entirely to blame for how his life has panned out, but he's not entirely blameless either.

Obviously not Iam64
What a petty comment!

You’re not Harry’s therapist MarieElla, that’s for sure 🌞

Harry is indeed vulnerable due to his own self promotion and the stupid things he said in his book e the Taliban.but as he is no longer a working Royal he has no right to the level of security he wants.....or thinks he's worthy of.
He is definitely vulnerable due to his mental health too and needs a very good therapist, one that will be very honest with him to help him see his role in how things have panned out since he left the UK.
He needs to be encouraged to take responsibility for himself and only when he does, will things improve for him and his family.

My point is that Harry is vulnerable and he is entitled to ask

As they are entitled to refuse.

RAVEC (the Executive Committee for the Protection of Royalty and Public Figures) can decide who is or is not a public figure. They are allowed to provide protection for Harry, but as wee know have chosen not to, which they are entitled to do.

My point is that Harry is vulnerable and he is entitled to ask.