Andy Warhol, just me?

The thing about Van Gogh though is that if you see one of his lesser known works ( and some of them are beautiful, especially his use of colour) you know straight away that it’s his work.

Overrated garbage! I saw Van Goughs sunflowers in Amsterdam, I think I could have done that!

I remember them at the time they appeared and never found them exciting.
Whereas I love the lobster telephone!

As with all well known artists (or masters as they are sometimes called), Warhol broke down a barrier and introduced a new and exciting (at the time) way of seeing. As has already been said, celebrities were seen as products just as were the soup cans. Now they can look dated and simplistic. They do have a significant place in the history of painting.

OldFrill

I'm holding tight whilst the bus is steadying "ding ding"

May I see your ticket, madam?

DollyRocker

Art is subjective. Personally I like his art & would have loved to have met him.

Oh yes, me too DollyRocker.
Although, he would have probably have hated me! I'm a very stubborn opinionated, catty woman & we would have most likely have clashed horribly. 😶

I'm holding tight whilst the bus is steadying "ding ding"

I like it.
That's all.

Steady the bus butterandjam whether you intend to or not you're coming across as very belittling of not spaghetti.

Not pleasant.

I am not in the slightest bit artistic but like lots of different styles. I like Andy Warhol and I love Banksy but I also like The Mona Lisa too.

The art world is full of pretentions.

He was something new and different at the time, so the "critics" jump on the bandwagon to praise. "Emperor's new clothes" comes to mind.

I worked in a new office with lots of investment art on the walls. One looked like a badly kept lawn with a few dog turds in the corner. Another was pretty and colourful, but the sort of thing the average 3 year-old might splash on paper. They paid over £1,000 for a large terracotta pot with a few squiggles on it (ethnic art???)

Not a fan. Lazy art imho but there are many who would disagree, I think he was considered cool and fashionable by those who first bought his art pieces, obvs that mattered more than if the pieces were actually much good. But art is what people consider to be art so my opinion doesn’t matter much.

NotSpaghetti

I don't think the Chinese "hair" screens were thousands of years ago... maybe 750 to 1,000?
And I think really they were considered craft, rather than art. Wasn't it mainly used for patterning textiles?

But you're right of course re having lots of people working under fine artists. I'm aware that this is true of (say) Rubens and Rembrandt but understood that the "master" artist would design the concept, paint the most critical parts (like faces and hands), and leave the rest -landscapes, clothing, architecture, and background -whatever - to their team. (I'm sure this wasn't always the case.)

And I admit I hadn't thought of the lithographs - though should have. My knowledge of them, (though equally limited), comes from theatre history. I'm pretty sure I was taught that the first lithographs were handwritten text. Not artwork.
I don't think lithographs were considered art at first either.

Anyway, I'm probably wrong...
And I'm sorry if my comments are nonsense.

If you make up nonsense like Before Warhol, fine art was expected to be unique, emotional, and crafted by the hand of the artist. expect laughter.

Here's another example

I wrote "the Chinese have been making prints for a thousand years".

I did not say "thousands of years ago"; that your confabulation .

As for lithographs as artwork (I gave famous artists as examples) try these. Note the dates.

www.metmuseum.org/collections/528

NotSpaghetti

​Before Warhol, fine art was expected to be unique, emotional, and crafted by the hand of the artist.

He took that entire idea and dumped it. He argued that celebrities were just products (just like soup).

He named his studio The Factory and mass screen printed the work - and didn't even do it all himself.

I think he liked it if the screen prints were slightly misaligned- like cheap fliers.

It really shook up the art world. It was
exciting and neon-soaked. American supermarkets and Hollywood tabloids brought into the gallery, larger than life.

I don't think making them of modern "stars" has the same meaning.
It was extraordinary in its day.
I don't remember having really rregistered Warhol myself till the late 60s.

They seemed pretty wild to me - then in yhd early 70s there was a retrospective at The Tate. I think the prints were everywhere then...

This (below) is about Pop art but I think it's relevant to Warhol (I am no kind of art buff!)... I love this quote:

Popular, transient, expendable, low cost, mass-produced, young, witty, sexy, gimmicky, glamorous, and Big Business.’
- Richard Hamilton

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Warhol was very shrewd, he knew all the right Celebs and people and how to play and own the scene.

The King of self promotion. He more or less invented hype.

He saw through the shallowness of the manufactured star quality of products and Artists. And in many ways democraticised art for the masses.

Really ahead of his time.

I rather like them, actually.

... not a fan - but not hostile to his art, though I find it boring.

As others have said, the appreciation of an artist's work is subjective, and I'm not going to knock him or those that like what he does... just because his art doesn't 'speak' to me.

- happy to live in a country where art isn't censored by an authoritarian government...

His “art” does nothing for me and I know how to look at pictures (I studied art history.) I also think his work overrated and that you shouldn’t be afraid to say so. Emperor’s new clothes and all that. I do however love his really early drawings and can see the merit in them.

His art hit the spot fo its time.
I like his digital art.

I suppose Warhol was following the earlier 20th Century 'Avant Garde' movement. Duchamp's "Fountain" is one example of using a found object, embellishing it and putting it into a different context.

Art appreciation is subjective.

I don't think the Chinese "hair" screens were thousands of years ago... maybe 750 to 1,000?
And I think really they were considered craft, rather than art. Wasn't it mainly used for patterning textiles?

But you're right of course re having lots of people working under fine artists. I'm aware that this is true of (say) Rubens and Rembrandt but understood that the "master" artist would design the concept, paint the most critical parts (like faces and hands), and leave the rest -landscapes, clothing, architecture, and background -whatever - to their team. (I'm sure this wasn't always the case.)

And I admit I hadn't thought of the lithographs - though should have. My knowledge of them, (though equally limited), comes from theatre history. I'm pretty sure I was taught that the first lithographs were handwritten text. Not artwork.
I don't think lithographs were considered art at first either.

Anyway, I'm probably wrong...
And I'm sorry if my comments are nonsense.

The Chinese have been making screen prints for a thousand years. For 200 years +, famous European Artists have been using lithograph prints to make and sell multiple copies of their artistic work ( Manet, ​Gericault, Delacroix). All the great Renaissance artists employed multiple assistants in their studios/bottegas so their works are never just the work of one person.

Every famous person/ celebrity of the last thousand years, had their portrait painted multiple times to publicise their fame, wealth, etc to the world.

"*​Before Warhol, fine art was expected to be unique, emotional, and crafted by the hand of the artist.*"

That is absolute nonsense.

What he did was something new. Many people can paint well. However can anyone think of something that isn’t actually good technically but something that no one else has done before? Anybody can splash paint onto a canvass but did anyone think of doing it before Pollock? I sometimes make my mind go blank ( easy for me!) and then fill it with something new and innovative but it just remains blank.

The trouble, I think is that a unique idea or concept always gets copied so much that even the original appears jaded!
If only we could experience everything always as we first encountered it.

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