The land is dry, and the people are ...stupid?

Oreo

Apart from the idiocy of fireworks just now have these people really not thought through the irony of independence from Britain?

I get the internal logic of this - but if celebrating independence from Britain is viewed as an act of hostility, then the thousands of US citizens celebrating here on 4th July could be regarded as an insult; from what I can gather, it's either met with benign indifference or an event that you can join in with. Former colonies become allies... we have diplomatic and Commonwealth ties with Pakistan. But who gave approval for the fireworks is definitely a concern, as is the fact that Pakistanis themselves didn't see fit not to use them.

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saintpiran

Charleygirl5
I think you will find the fireworks were let off bythe Pakistani community to celebrate independence from Britain. Lots to think about here, not least the fact that we had just been warned about the dangers of barbecues etc. I thought there were laws against fireworks after midnight, but government gave approval, so that's alright then.

Is this really the case? That they were given permission? That they set off fireworks to celebrate their independence from Britain, whilst living in Britain, and during a drought and fire risk? What the heck is wrong with this country and why are people permitted to behave in this way?

Apart from the idiocy of fireworks just now have these people really not thought through the irony of independence from Britain?😄

saintpiran

Charleygirl5
I think you will find the fireworks were let off bythe Pakistani community to celebrate independence from Britain. Lots to think about here, not least the fact that we had just been warned about the dangers of barbecues etc. I thought there were laws against fireworks after midnight, but government gave approval, so that's alright then.

Can you please show a link to the government approval for this, I can’t find anything?

Unfortunately it is not just mindless idiots who cause fires. It also seems to be some very intelligent people on here who think they know it all. Why not just be a responsible citizen and do as you have been asked. Is it really that difficult to forgo your outdoor bbq to give your neighbours piece of mind.

I don't like eating outside at all at the moment,too hot and too many insects( thanks to our 'wildlife garden')
I wouldn't want to risk any more fires, it's been terrible for those affected.

Dreadwitch

This is why I rarely look at Facebook. It's full of completely entitled idiots.
They don't care if they kill thousands of wild animals, burn fields and woods to the ground or even if people's homes go up in smoke... They want what they believe is their entitlement.

Facebook is now a cesspit of AI-slop, conspiracy theories (often poorly articulated), unappealing and often aggressive 'content creators', and lots of seemingly angry people.

If you accidentally click on something that you're not interested in Facebook's algorithm will then assume the opposite and fill your feed with more of the same and you have to constantly adjust your preferences.

I use it now only to keep up with my foreign ex-work colleagues' lives, but we're all reaching the age where we post less frequently - though we have checked in more during the heatwave and since the fires have been raging on mainland Europe.

Mark Zuckerberg has radically shifted Meta's 'operational philosophy' after a dinner with Trump at Mar-a-Lago... there are no longer 3rd-party moderators. It's a veritable free-for-all.

saintpiran

Charleygirl5
I think you will find the fireworks were let off bythe Pakistani community to celebrate independence from Britain. Lots to think about here, not least the fact that we had just been warned about the dangers of barbecues etc. I thought there were laws against fireworks after midnight, but government gave approval, so that's alright then.

Is this really the case? That they were given permission? That they set off fireworks to celebrate their independence from Britain, whilst living in Britain, and during a drought and fire risk? What the heck is wrong with this country and why are people permitted to behave in this way?

Oreo

GrannyGravy13

BlueBelle

I m being black and white over this I believe the state we are in, countrywide, there should be NO bbqs at all, full stop, of course we can live happily without them, they are far from a necessity and can be a danger however careful you think you are.

There is a total ban on the sale of disposable BBQ’s.

There is a ban on BBQ’s in parks, and fields etc., our council banned all open fire in its parks etc., at the beginning of July.

There is not a ban on BBQ’ing in one’s garden.

I don’t think posters have grasped that last fact GrannyGravy
We have a lovely new gas barbecue, and we have a yard not a garden there is no grass or anything to set fire to and our neighbours have the same.
Add to that we have never ever had a problem.
The Fire Service has advice but barbecuing carefully in your own garden isn’t on the verboten list.
As to those who don’t like the smell of a barbecue, too bad.

I don’t think posters have grasped that last fact GrannyGravy

I'm well aware there's no ban - and if you're well away from sheds, fences, overhanging trees, foliage, etc... then yes, it's your right to have one. I know gas BBQs are safe, we had one also.

Regional fire services have asked the public to completely "give BBQs a miss" and avoid any form of outdoor fire, including garden bonfires and fire pits (well, obviously) until significant rainfall dampens the ground. They've stressed that avoiding outdoor burning is an act of community responsibility.

That was my 'beef'... the mindset - one I gave another example of.

After the national alert, I was aware that I could smell smoke - not from BBQs, just smoke. I'd been aware of it for a few hours, assumed it was 'legitimate' but then I decided to call the non-emergency Police number and was re-assured that it wasn't my imagination and that, in fact, the smoke was real, had been detected by many other residents in the town - and it was from a fire raging some 50 miles away. That concentrates your mind somewhat.

I would point out though that - according to the Fire Service, gas BBQs are not entirely safe, it's to do with 'fat flares/ambient heat' and 'radiant heat' from the grill body... but I don't want to make this post any longer than it already is.

I agree with you about the smell from actual BBQs. I'm not keen on it, however my late OH enjoyed grilling - it's really only a minor inconvenience and the smell soon evaporates. Other people can enjoy things that I don't, so in the spirit of 'community' I accept it.

Locally 2 bonfires have got out of control requiring the fire service they have been widely reported in local paper yet my next door neighbour has today lit his third bonfire in as many weeks very close to our adjoining hedge! Unbelievable!!! I spoke to him the last time and pointed out how it only takes one small spark and the hedges and fields would burn not to mention both our houses. I was very tempted to phone the fire service but he is my only neighbour. Fire still glowing, I can see this through the hedge.

This is why I rarely look at Facebook. It's full of completely entitled idiots.
They don't care if they kill thousands of wild animals, burn fields and woods to the ground or even if people's homes go up in smoke... They want what they believe is their entitlement.

On the hottest day last week some idiots were setting off fireworks in the evening. Unbelievable!

GrannyGravy13

BlueBelle

I m being black and white over this I believe the state we are in, countrywide, there should be NO bbqs at all, full stop, of course we can live happily without them, they are far from a necessity and can be a danger however careful you think you are.

There is a total ban on the sale of disposable BBQ’s.

There is a ban on BBQ’s in parks, and fields etc., our council banned all open fire in its parks etc., at the beginning of July.

There is not a ban on BBQ’ing in one’s garden.

I don’t think posters have grasped that last fact GrannyGravy
We have a lovely new gas barbecue, and we have a yard not a garden there is no grass or anything to set fire to and our neighbours have the same.
Add to that we have never ever had a problem.
The Fire Service has advice but barbecuing carefully in your own garden isn’t on the verboten list.
As to those who don’t like the smell of a barbecue, too bad.

I love a barbeque. Ours is charcoal fired and I don't think that anyone can predict where a spark might fly under such dry conditions, so we havn't had one. Much as we would have enjoyed it.
Our fire officers have been working so hard, I wouln't want to risk putting them in any more danger.
They requested the alarm, and I don't blame them.

I posted this on the other thread, but I think that was the wrong place, sorry for the repeat.

That's Mumsnet for you. Some decent responsible posters. But quite a few munters who think the world revolves around them

Ok...i think your excuses are a bit week..Im sorry but you are grasping at straws....

That last post wasn’t about fire risk. It was from someone who doesn’t like bbqs. Hence the party pooper remark since her husband seems to love them.
So separate the very serious issue of people using disposable bbqs in places that would create a fire risk and someone cooking meat in their back garden.
If bookwormbabe doesn’t like BBQs then a quick conversation with her hubby should resolve it

Gango

Party pooper

That’s a really intelligent remark in the present circumstances.

Party pooper

Personally I am relieved to hear talk of a ban on barbecues, not only because of the fire risk, but because I find them a huge faff. My husband is a big fan, and my heart sinks when he suggests having a barbecue. He invariably wants to get far too much food for the pair of us, and then there is all the mess to clear up afterwards. Ban away, I say!

Where my son lives there is a rough bit of land on one side of the road owned by a neighbour. When I was visiting earlier this year I went out to get something from my car during the evening and found some young kids lighting a fire there.When I stared at them they said "It's ok, we'll put it out." I asked if they thought it was a sensible place to light a fire?" and they ran off! Their argument that the landowner sometimes burnt rubbish there was irrelevant - it was his land - but I can't help wondering what might have happened if I hadn't gone outside when I did!
I found some wood nearby and beat out the flames and the landowner came out and poured a watering can full of water over the remains and removed the unburnt pallette and returned it to where they had taken it from. They were quite young kids and clearly clueless of the danger. I think the elderly landowner had been watching and was scared to intervene but he seemed relieved that I'd effectively chased them away. At the time things weren't as dry as they are now but if they did that now it could have terrifying consequences!

We have a problem here (Sefton Park/Otterspool Promenade - Liverpool)
With people whose cultures encourage cooking outside - bbqs/fire pits - all well and good until they tip out the smouldering embers onto grass -
Parts of Sefton park were ablaze last week due to this habit
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Chinese lanterns release form a local beauty spot.

Found this quote online which I think sums it up perfectly

When you're dead, you don't know you're dead.
The pain is felt by others.
The same thing happens when you're stupid.

Instead of banning disposable bbqs just stop selling anything that can cause a fire (eg matches lighters etc) to stupid inconsiderate people.
I have a brick built barbecue in my garden an and frequently have a disposable bbq.

Because I am not stupid there is no chance that it will cause a fire.

Maybe just ban stupid people who think lighting a disposable bbq in public areas is ok

Remember that stupid people do not realise they are stupid

personally I think BBQs are all about what the owner wants and there is no consideration for neighbours. Who really wants to smell burning flesh ? I always think it must be similar to the smell that people coming from concentration camps during WW2 . We all seem to accept that smoking should be banned as the smell is awful so why is there a need to cook outside and infiltrate all of the neighbouring houses ?