The land is dry, and the people are ...stupid?

GrannyGravy13

Wyllow3

I was absolutely clear.

As regards the big celebrations re the anniversary of "End of Empire", it was undoubtedly planned, money spent well in advance, carefully planned -

I have no doubt were there another similar huge event planned, since there is no ban at present, just advice, that similar controlled and properly controlled large events would be able to go ahead because of well, well in advance notice.

They would have had to get permission, remember

What matters is from now on it would not be allowed due to precautions now taken, now known.

Redbridge Council forbade the letting off of fireworks in Ilford Lane, those gathered ignored the council…

Redbridge Council forbade the letting off of fireworks in Ilford Lane, those gathered ignored the council…

... or, more accurately (according to Google) - "a few" of those gathered. And those few ended up in scuffles with the police.

These minor details matter because they give entirely different pictures.

Wyllow3

I totally believe you, GG13, that you would comply. I cannot imagine you doing anything different
(Some on this thread had explicitly said they would not go along with a ban and it's those I am saying, hang on, ??

Shall we have some truth here? I have gone through five pages with a toothcomb and there are no posters whatsoever saying they wouldn’t obey a ban explicitly or otherwise.

GrannyGravy13

For clarity, we have a gas BBQ which is on porcelain tiles, it is not near any fences or shrubbery.

We also have a rainwater harvesting tank (containing many 1,000’s of litres of what I gather is called grey water) which one of our hoses is permanently attached to.

If in a moment of cussedness a spark decide to leap 4 + metres to a fence, shrubs or lawn it would be immediately apparent and extinguished.

If there were to be a ban on household BBQ’s we would of course comply.

I am neither stupid nor entitled as has been suggested by some posters on this thread.

Same with me too 😃 and I and am sure you would obey any actual ban on having a backyard barbecue should it be brought in.

With you on that, Chestnut.

I definitely think disposable barbeques should be banned altogether and no longer manufactured. Aluminium is highly destructive to the planet to extract, although it is recyclable.

However, to recycle a disposable barbeque it must be emptied and cleaned, removing charcoal, ash, food and grease. How many people bother, especially when out somewhere? I'm sure they are very often left in a horrible state. If you look at the tents etc. left behind at music festivals you can see that young people don't give a damn about the environment and just leave their waste behind.

So disposable barbeques are bad for the environment, difficult to recycle and very dangerous in hot dry weather, so they should just stop making them.

Wyllow3 👍🏻

I totally believe you, GG13, that you would comply. I cannot imagine you doing anything different
(Some on this thread had explicitly said they would not go along with a ban and it's those I am saying, hang on, ??

GrannyGravy13

Wyllow3

I was absolutely clear.

As regards the big celebrations re the anniversary of "End of Empire", it was undoubtedly planned, money spent well in advance, carefully planned -

I have no doubt were there another similar huge event planned, since there is no ban at present, just advice, that similar controlled and properly controlled large events would be able to go ahead because of well, well in advance notice.

They would have had to get permission, remember

What matters is from now on it would not be allowed due to precautions now taken, now known.

Redbridge Council forbade the letting off of fireworks in Ilford Lane, those gathered ignored the council…

Yes, you are right, it should not have happened, I have just done a lot of googling on it:

Community leaders did call for restraint on fireworks, but the people turned out anyway.

The trouble is its because of race its has become such a loaded issue, ie far right people like Matt Goodwin have made it a "we are being taken over by Muslims yet again (yes, a Facebook commentary explicitly saying so)

It is a public order issue in my mind not a race one. The fact it was celebrating an event people were not comfortable with therefore highlighting it on this thread not any other breaking public order event is noted.

Just think of the out of control attacks that happened recently - especially in NI recently where Muslim homes were set on fire just becuase of who they were.

For clarity, we have a gas BBQ which is on porcelain tiles, it is not near any fences or shrubbery.

We also have a rainwater harvesting tank (containing many 1,000’s of litres of what I gather is called grey water) which one of our hoses is permanently attached to.

If in a moment of cussedness a spark decide to leap 4 + metres to a fence, shrubs or lawn it would be immediately apparent and extinguished.

If there were to be a ban on household BBQ’s we would of course comply.

I am neither stupid nor entitled as has been suggested by some posters on this thread.

This is ludicrous. I suggest we take about the substance of this thread, which actually really matters, ie, how do we get these wildfires under control, discussions whether advice should become either Local authority matters or a need for laws given we are facing more droughts, need for it to be raised in schools etc as part of a curriculum in the sciences as part of climate change and so on.

Yes, some love to BBQ - discussions will have to be had carefully as regards boundaries, since of course risk levels differ greatly - but there is always the problem, give an inch, take a mile, sadly, as we see.

Wyllow3

I was absolutely clear.

As regards the big celebrations re the anniversary of "End of Empire", it was undoubtedly planned, money spent well in advance, carefully planned -

I have no doubt were there another similar huge event planned, since there is no ban at present, just advice, that similar controlled and properly controlled large events would be able to go ahead because of well, well in advance notice.

They would have had to get permission, remember

What matters is from now on it would not be allowed due to precautions now taken, now known.

Redbridge Council forbade the letting off of fireworks in Ilford Lane, those gathered ignored the council…

I was absolutely clear.

As regards the big celebrations re the anniversary of "End of Empire", it was undoubtedly planned, money spent well in advance, carefully planned -

I have no doubt were there another similar huge event planned, since there is no ban at present, just advice, that similar controlled and properly controlled large events would be able to go ahead because of well, well in advance notice.

They would have had to get permission, remember

What matters is from now on it would not be allowed due to precautions now taken, now known.

Which rant?
Which facts?

Maremia

I do believe that Wyllow wrote
'if there is a ban'.
It is a small word, 'if', and easily overlooked when you are reading quickly.
Wyllow was not spreading misinformation.

Maybe Willow could have checked the facts before the rant.

I do believe that Wyllow wrote
'if there is a ban'.
It is a small word, 'if', and easily overlooked when you are reading quickly.
Wyllow was not spreading misinformation.

Wyllow3
There isn’t a ban on all barbecues. The misinformation goes on and on.

2507C0

saintpiran

Charleygirl5
I think you will find the fireworks were let off bythe Pakistani community to celebrate independence from Britain. Lots to think about here, not least the fact that we had just been warned about the dangers of barbecues etc. I thought there were laws against fireworks after midnight, but government gave approval, so that's alright then.

Is this really the case? That they were given permission? That they set off fireworks to celebrate their independence from Britain, whilst living in Britain, and during a drought and fire risk? What the heck is wrong with this country and why are people permitted to behave in this way?

saintpiran
Charleygirl5
I think you will find the fireworks were let off bythe Pakistani community to celebrate independence from Britain. Lots to think about here, not least the fact that we had just been warned about the dangers of barbecues etc. I thought there were laws against fireworks after midnight, but government gave approval, so that's alright then

... "but government gave approval, so that's alright then"...

This just adds in a lazy and less-than-subtle way to the implied 'two-tier' policing narrative under a Labour government, and it just stokes anger and division.

I can't sleep because it's still hot here and the smoke from a wildfire some 50-odd miles away is lingering and seems to have found its way into my house and taken up residence... so I thought I'd check out this ridiculous claim. As if ANY government would give "approval" for fireworks in the street having just agreed to a national alert request from the Fire Service.

This is Google AI's take:
Thousands gathered on Ilford Lane (East London) and Southall Broadway (West London) on 14 August 2026 to celebrate Pakistan’s 79th Independence Day.
Redbridge Local Council issued an official notice stating clearly that "no fireworks are to be brought to or let off on Ilford Lane" to ensure public safety and protect local businesses.
Despite the explicit ban and a heavy police presence, viral footage shows that a few individuals illegally set off fireworks in the middle of the crowded streets anyway. This resulted in minor public order confrontations with the Met Police.

... seems like every demographic/group/diaspora has its self-entitled idiots, along with stupid teen-age boys mindlessly following a Tik-Tok 'challenge'.

So 2507C0 - no, they were not given permission, quite the contrary, and I hope they will - along with those that deliberately started fires - be punished for it.

Jaxjacky

saintpiran

Charleygirl5
I think you will find the fireworks were let off bythe Pakistani community to celebrate independence from Britain. Lots to think about here, not least the fact that we had just been warned about the dangers of barbecues etc. I thought there were laws against fireworks after midnight, but government gave approval, so that's alright then.

Can you please show a link to the government approval for this, I can’t find anything?

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There was no 'government given approval". Just googled every which way.
The police did not intervene, you'll have to ask the police why not "the government"

As for the post that said "oh I think it was an illegal family" with no evidence whatsoever, well thats just a nasty little creep of racism on a perfectly ordinary thread about bans. Given that members of long term Brits are doing just that.

I also believe that if there is a ban on all BBQ's yes even ones shiny new gas one because some are irresponsible we should obey that. It's been requested for good reasons. "Oh but I'm different" doesnt hack it, imo.

Nandalot

We had a near miss on our village last afternoon/ evening. Someone had a bonfire which caught surrounding area. Fortunately, the fire team were there quickly.

So very lucky that you have the option of a responsive fire crew. All our local crews are working around the clock for the 10th day trying to put out a fire that has got into the underlying peat - it could take months to finalise.

We had crews from 4 stations, many are volunteers, when some silly kids left vapes in a field right by the rail line and set fire to a crop field. It is not a simple job to put out a fire - there is ongoing watch and damp down to make sure it will not re-ignite.

The poor folks in Stourbridge have lost everything

ordinarygirl

personally I think BBQs are all about what the owner wants and there is no consideration for neighbours. Who really wants to smell burning flesh ? I always think it must be similar to the smell that people coming from concentration camps during WW2 . We all seem to accept that smoking should be banned as the smell is awful so why is there a need to cook outside and infiltrate all of the neighbouring houses ?

Some of us quite like the smell of burning meat - bacon, Sunday roast, chops and some barbecues.

Less enthusiastic about the smell of cooked meat from takeaways where the meat is of the cheapest and from animals that have not been bred to high welfare standards. The smell reflects the source

Oreo

Surely few Americans live here, maybe over here for work purposes?

I had to research it...

Data from the (ONS) and the UK Census indicates that roughly 170,000 to 230,000 Americans reside in the UK at any given time. Alongside thousands of corporate expats, military personnel, and students.

I had a relative living in Cambridgeshire and he once mentioned how many Americans were living around that area - he'd taken part on one occasion in one of the random, local, 4th July events. That's what prompted me to mention this.

And yes, even without researching the numbers, I know there are significantly more Pakistanis than Americans living here at any one time - but do the numbers matter more than the principle?

The post regarding the Pakistani community has no factual basis I can find, saintpirin? Sounds like social media stirring to me.
How quickly some jump on a bandwagon.

The land is dry and the people are stupid.

How true, just reading this thread is confirmation of that, people throwing cigarettes, setting off fireworks, having barbeques and bonfires, all in bone dry conditions when it's so obviously highly dangerous.

Then apart from the idiots, we have crazy arsonists who like starting fires. One wonders whether it becomes an epidemic, just mention fires on the news and they get excited at the thought of starting one themselves. The workings of the human mind are beyond our understanding.

Crumbly159

And - 400 years on from the Gunpowder Plot - there's absolutely no reason for fireworks. For any occasion.

There is currently a Government firework consultation running until 7th October if anyone wants to participate.
www.gov.uk/government/consultations/fireworks-and-pyrotechnics-in-the-uk

Surely few Americans live here, maybe over here for work purposes?