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Cossy Wed 19-Aug-26 08:58:48

I’ve just read about yet another drowning tragedy on our beaches.

2 adults and a teenager dead, the younger child in ICU. All from the same family.

We, as a country, don’t appear to be adjusting in any way to our ever changing, hotter weather.

My question/suggestion is now, with more and more people potentially seeking to cool down in our sea, should we follow the example of other countries and set up life guards during the summers, stationed on our beaches, and put up notices in areas where there are strong riptides.

I grew up on the coast, as did my parents and our children. We all swam in open waters. But, far more importantly and crucial to safety, we learned at an early age about tides, how dangerous water is and how to swim.

It saddens me how many needless deaths we’ve had this year already and would love to hear others ideas about water safety.

I appreciate this would cost money and would have to be funded locally via councils.

The lifeguards, however, like our wonderful lifeboat services could be volunteers, the signage would be a one of cost, and the lifeguard training and perhaps small lifeguard huts would have to be funded.

Any ideas?

Fallingstar Wed 19-Aug-26 13:52:22

General info films are good but how many younger people watch the telly these days?
The film should pop up at the beginning of all social media sites with the user having to watch the entire film before being able to access said sites, the same for Prime and Netflix etc.

BlueBelle Wed 19-Aug-26 14:01:00

My question/suggestion is now, with more and more people potentially seeking to cool down in our sea, should we follow the example of other countries and set up life guards during the summers, stationed on our beaches, and put up notices in areas where there are strong riptides

Well this certainly happens on all the beaches near me I would imagine it happens on all the popular beaches doesn’t it ? The lifeguards are there from 10 in the morning until 6 in the evening
The problems is when people who have no idea of the coasts, the tides, the sea, or weather conditions just go in Willy nilly at any old nearby beach
Very very sad but it’s really is just common sense

Oreo Wed 19-Aug-26 14:10:38

MiniMoon

My daughter and I were just discussing this yesterday. She was advocating the return of Public Information Films. She remembers the one about Lonely Water which was scary. They were discontinued in 2011, she thinks, and I agree, that they should be brought back.

I agree

Plevey08 Wed 19-Aug-26 14:20:58

I believe it is talked and warned about in schools. My GC junior school came home and told me all about the dangers of rivers. It was pressed upon them because of the hot weather and the drownings in rivers.Teenagers particularly need it reinforcing at school and home. The RNLI should definitely be funded and crew paid, with any volunteers also appreciated. It would be helpful to have public announcements and mobile alerts too. Every school pupil should, imo have explicit info on safety near all waters and it should be sent home to parents,

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 19-Aug-26 14:26:54

Andy Burnham sent his “best wishes and love”.

Not at all appropriate choice of words for a Prime Minister to send to the family after this tragedy.

Condolences, man - was the word you were looking for.

I offer mine for all the family (especially the young lass in hospital)

Beyond tragic.

fancythat Wed 19-Aug-26 14:33:49

Shinamae

Just have to face the fact, some people just won’t be told…

No they wont.

Also, they cant see, and dont understand, the real dangers

Not that the family involved may have been one of those.
Even for semi-locals, it is quite easy to make a mistake.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Wed 19-Aug-26 14:40:49

Great post Chestnut

Jaxjacky Wed 19-Aug-26 14:53:31

Good idea Chestnut but as many younger people don’t watch terrestrial TV they need to be across the likes of Tik Tok, getting the likes of Netflix and Prime involved would be good too.

BlueBelle Wed 19-Aug-26 14:59:00

Anything to get a dig in FGT

I do think there should be much more information but we must realise many of the drownings this year have been adults this last tragic family drowning, the area didn’t look like a swimming area at all to me so perhaps more ‘Not suitable for swimming’ or ever ‘danger do not swim here’ notices

Graphite Wed 19-Aug-26 15:04:27

Condolence is formal. Best wishes and love is much warmer and heartfelt and sounds just right coming from Burnham.

The family have been named as father, Hossam El-Khawwas, his wife, Zeina Alyan, and one of their daughters, Sarah. Their second daughter, Saja, remains hospitalised in critical condition. The family were Palestinian refugees from Lebanon who came from the Rashidieh refugee camp in southern Lebanon.

Fallingstar Wed 19-Aug-26 15:29:49

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Andy Burnham sent his “best wishes and love”.

Not at all appropriate choice of words for a Prime Minister to send to the family after this tragedy.

Condolences, man - was the word you were looking for.

I offer mine for all the family (especially the young lass in hospital)

Beyond tragic.

We are all different and Burnham tends to say what he feels rather than sticking to a rather formal and dry way of expressing himself.

Chestnut Wed 19-Aug-26 15:30:31

Jaxjacky

Good idea Chestnut but as many younger people don’t watch terrestrial TV they need to be across the likes of Tik Tok, getting the likes of Netflix and Prime involved would be good too.

Absolutely, they should be plastered anywhere they will be seen by youngsters and adults alike as many of them don't have a clue either. Although social media companies aren't exactly hot on child protection and I'm not sure Netflix or Disney would care either. They just want to make money at all cost.

greyfur16 Wed 19-Aug-26 15:47:29

I can't for the life of me understand why the drowning of a family should be used to point score.

I read they were not from this country so maybe it wasn't a case of " won't be told" more a case of " didn't quite understand"

grumppa Wed 19-Aug-26 16:04:03

The latest news is that they were Palestinian refugees. The Mediterranean just doesn't have the tides of our coasts.

Fallingstar Wed 19-Aug-26 16:18:33

Sadly everytime a person won’t be told and risks their own lives they are risking the lives of others who feel compelled to go into the water to rescue them. In several instances people have drowned trying to rescue someone in difficulty in the water. People have also died trying to rescue dogs in difficulty in the water.

Chocolatelovinggran Wed 19-Aug-26 17:18:52

My local beach in East Kent has lifeguards. They are well trained, and professional, including in first aid.
I think that this is not a job for volunteers.
There are dangers in all stretches of water : people die in lakes, and canals, and, of course, these will not be guarded.
We did have talks about it in our schools, but I wonder whether the parents should be the target audience, rather than the children.

OldFrill Wed 19-Aug-26 17:54:40

Fallingstar

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Andy Burnham sent his “best wishes and love”.

Not at all appropriate choice of words for a Prime Minister to send to the family after this tragedy.

Condolences, man - was the word you were looking for.

I offer mine for all the family (especially the young lass in hospital)

Beyond tragic.

We are all different and Burnham tends to say what he feels rather than sticking to a rather formal and dry way of expressing himself.

Andy Burnham was referring to the girl in hospital when he sent his best wishes and love to her and her wider family.

Chestnut Wed 19-Aug-26 17:56:24

Water safety and road safety should be integrated into the National Curriculum if they're not already there as they are of special importance.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 19-Aug-26 18:08:59

Chestnut

Water safety and road safety should be integrated into the National Curriculum if they're not already there as they are of special importance.

Both of these definitely feature on the curriculum in the primary schools of all my GC.

Comes up in different years and age appropriate.

eazybee Wed 19-Aug-26 18:35:21

There [s a friend who has spent her whole life by the sea and never bothered to learn to swim because she hated the water, deciding to venture into the sea knee deep at the weekend, slipped and fell over , couldn't get up and had to be rescued by her son because she panicked. She is 75.

Allsorts Wed 19-Aug-26 18:40:09

Respect the sea, people take chances and are ill prepared.

Cossy Wed 19-Aug-26 19:17:59

Graphite

Condolence is formal. Best wishes and love is much warmer and heartfelt and sounds just right coming from Burnham.

The family have been named as father, Hossam El-Khawwas, his wife, Zeina Alyan, and one of their daughters, Sarah. Their second daughter, Saja, remains hospitalised in critical condition. The family were Palestinian refugees from Lebanon who came from the Rashidieh refugee camp in southern Lebanon.

How utterly tragic 💔

Cossy Wed 19-Aug-26 19:18:47

Chestnut

Water safety and road safety should be integrated into the National Curriculum if they're not already there as they are of special importance.

Pretty sure they are featured.

Cossy Wed 19-Aug-26 19:20:51

Chocolatelovinggran

My local beach in East Kent has lifeguards. They are well trained, and professional, including in first aid.
I think that this is not a job for volunteers.
There are dangers in all stretches of water : people die in lakes, and canals, and, of course, these will not be guarded.
We did have talks about it in our schools, but I wonder whether the parents should be the target audience, rather than the children.

I beg to differ, all of our national lifeboats at totally manned by volunteers.

By volunteer lifeguards I don’t mean people who just rock up as and well, but regulated, rostered, fully trained volunteers.

Plevey08 Wed 19-Aug-26 20:17:03

They often have full time careers but are prepared to sacrifice their spare time, nights and weekends.