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Cossy Fri 21-Aug-26 12:26:21

Why don’t people just admit that they do discriminate?

Really, I’m not racist, BUT……
I’m not homophobic, BUT …….

The BUT almost always means you are are what you are at pains to state you’re not.

There simply is no “but”.

In terms of Asylum Seekers, yet again I see, now it’s about housing.

Let’s be very clear, once “processed” and given both leave to remain and right to work, no Asylum Seeker magically jumps to the top of any social housing list.

Once given both leave to remain and right to work AS are granted exactly the same rights as anyone else living here, no more, no less.

They can apply for social housing, and be given the right to bid. Just like anyone else living here.

I see quite a lot about veterans and rough sleeping on here too.

Veterans, on the whole, have many charities dedicated just to them, this is how it should be. They also have dedicated provision paid for by government. There is a lot of help here in our country for veterans. However, they have to apply, they have to ask to access it, just like anyone else.

Rough sleeping is a really tough one to resolve, for so many reasons.

Firstly, there’s a large percentage of rough sleepers who have addictions, usually drugs and/or alcohol, and this can make them volatile and difficult to both handle and to find them acceptable accommodation.

We desparately need far more residential rehabs for these people. They simply cannot be housed whilst addicted.

Andy Burnham did a pretty good job in Manchester, but he’ll soon find out that it’s a different kettle of fish trying to resolve this countrywide.

He could start by addressing those houses in every county, up and down Britain, currently left empty 100% of the time.

We have so many issues he needs to address and it’s going to take time and shedloads of money to resolve these issues.

Whether you’re prepared to admit it or not, if the small boats suddenly stopped overnight and we deported all the remaining waiting to be processed, very little would actually change overnight, or even in the foreseeable future.

Austerity and massive cuts in services for 14 years have helped lead us to this place, coupled with Brexit and Covid. We have massive staff shortages in so many crucial areas.

We need to address the issues these things caused and are continuing to cause.

When you then add in things like hotter and hotter weather and unpredictable weather events worldwide, we will the see the effects of these in droughts and food production.

This is not the time to keep on blaming anyone “different” to ourselves for our own country’s and worldwide problems.

Now is time to unite and realise only by working together and supporting each other, along with possible rises in income tax, can we fund and get through all the things affecting this country and others.

I’m sure some of will have a, but……

That’s entirely your prerogative.
My post, is entirely mine! (IMHO)

Enjoy your day and have a peaceful weekend thanks

MT62 Sat 22-Aug-26 18:56:09

Maremia

Problems with infrastructure, for example the water company failures, have nothing to do with 'immigration '.
Failures have come about due to poor policy decisions e.g. selling off to private companies an essential resource, and then these companies failing to invest in repairs, preferring to pay dividends to shareholders.
No, immigrants are not to blame for that.

Ok then Maremia. Since we have a shortage of school teachers, GPs, especially dentists (because the people already here can’t get an nhs dentist) what about those.
If we are bringing thousands in, how that’s not being affected?

LemonJam Sat 22-Aug-26 18:05:25

In the year ending December 2025, 642,000 people emigrated long term from the UK- to be foreigners in another country as it were.

54,887 people were granted refugee protection in the year ending December 2025 according to the UK Home Office statistics.

The number of those granted refugee protection is far lower than the number emigrating thus UK infrastructure problems are not caused by the number of asylum seekers arriving in the UK and granted refugee protection.

Maremia Sat 22-Aug-26 17:22:36

Problems with infrastructure, for example the water company failures, have nothing to do with 'immigration '.
Failures have come about due to poor policy decisions e.g. selling off to private companies an essential resource, and then these companies failing to invest in repairs, preferring to pay dividends to shareholders.
No, immigrants are not to blame for that.

MT62 Sat 22-Aug-26 16:34:24

JAFFO

I thoroughly agree with you Cossy, it's always easier to blame someone else for situations people find themselves in. We could be more caring of everyone's needs wherever they come from/live.

I think we have enough problems here with adding to the burden.
How many more do you think this country & its lack of infrastructure can it cope with?

Maremia Sat 22-Aug-26 15:47:31

Even better,

'Speaking up shatters the comfort that lets prejudice grow'

LemonJam

Maremia Sat 22-Aug-26 15:44:50

'It is a positive thing to call out racism, misogyny or homophobia, as it can stop immediate harm and breaks the cycle of prejudice.'
LemonJam, on page 1

cc Sat 22-Aug-26 14:17:47

Lizzies

I saw someone the other day say that getting planning permission for the spaces above retail premises to be used for accommodation is really difficult. If councils want more accommodation in towns then surely this would solve some problems. People would be near places to work and wouldn’t need to travel, they would use the shops nearby and keep them more viable, etc.

There are a few relatively new buildings that were office blocks in our area that have been given planning permission to be used for accommodation now. This is despite the fact that there are a huge number of newly-built flats unsold or empty. I don't know whether removing smaller, flexible office space is really a good thing, they make it easier for people to start new businesses.
As it happens, much of the space above shops in this area was actually built as accommodation. Sadly building societies are less keen on giving mortgages on some of these, depending on the use of the retail premises.

JAFFO Sat 22-Aug-26 14:09:09

I thoroughly agree with you Cossy, it's always easier to blame someone else for situations people find themselves in. We could be more caring of everyone's needs wherever they come from/live.

TheWeirdoAgain60 Sat 22-Aug-26 11:31:02

It's like when someone says ''I'm not telling you off, BUT....''

If you need to tell me off, OK, do it, but don't claim you're not doing it!

fancythat Sat 22-Aug-26 11:23:13

Galaxy

It's an acknowledgement by the government that some cultures have different 'values' and different standards of equality in relation to women.

I find it almost sickening.

TerriBull Sat 22-Aug-26 11:14:30

MT62

Anyway the subject of rape, misogyny, etc, should be to included in sex education for our own youngsters.

Yes I do agree with that, I think it's quite apparent how attitudes are being shaped by social media with damaging effects.

TerriBull Sat 22-Aug-26 11:11:46

The costs would be entirely necessary, there is no point in handing out information in a language the recipients wouldn't understand.

MT62 Sat 22-Aug-26 11:10:15

Anyway the subject of rape, misogyny, etc, should be to included in sex education for our own youngsters.

MaizieD Sat 22-Aug-26 11:09:56

TerriBull

Might the pamplets be in the languages that the men will be familiar with is another thought?

One would assume they will be, wouldn't one?

Though I could foresee some whipped up outrage at the costs involved...

MT62 Sat 22-Aug-26 11:06:43

Galaxy

It's an acknowledgement by the government that some cultures have different 'values' and different standards of equality in relation to women.

…. Children & elderly 😩

Galaxy Sat 22-Aug-26 10:58:33

It's an acknowledgement by the government that some cultures have different 'values' and different standards of equality in relation to women.

TerriBull Sat 22-Aug-26 10:17:22

Might the pamplets be in the languages that the men will be familiar with is another thought?

MissAdventure Sat 22-Aug-26 10:11:08

Might they be dyslexic, though?

AGAA4 Sat 22-Aug-26 09:54:01

At least Labour under Burnham has issued leaflets informing migrants of the law in the UK so they can no longer plead ignorance.
If any crime is committed they should be deported immediately.

TerriBull Sat 22-Aug-26 09:41:56

To make any claim to the effect that an assailant didn't know they weren't allowed to rape as some sort of defense is a serious and devious manipulation. They didn't know dragging a teenager into bushes in park or raping a woman on a beach where three men are taking it in turns to violate her, whilst one of them is filming it all, against their pleading??? Of course they did! Given incidents of harassment, sexual assault and most serious of all rape have been all too frequent occurrences. Given other European countries have dealt with all of this in a more effective way. Why have new arrivals not been inculcated at the outset of their arriving on our shores as to what is expected behaviour wise and what sanctions would be imposed if they disregard such advice. I mean it's really too little too late for the women who have suffered such assaults.

I've read some threads over on MN pertaining to subjects of this nature where the anger is palpable, maybe more so because they're of a demographic who feels more affected by much of this, thinking "what if that were my daughter!" Whoever the victim is in the cases reported, they will be someone's daughter, granddaughter, sister etc.

MT62 Sat 22-Aug-26 09:20:04

Never the less Petra it’s still quite concerning!

MT62 Sat 22-Aug-26 09:18:47

Says on that leaflet it (may affect their right to asylum 😳) only MAY!
Also should they not add the elderly to that leaflet?

MT62 Sat 22-Aug-26 09:14:27

Are like that nanna8

MT62 Sat 22-Aug-26 09:13:45

nanna8

Just to be clear, I was not getting at Cossy or what she said. I was actually thinking of a particular person I know who is always talking about out doing the right thing etc and always quick to pick up peoples’ faults and thinks she is perfect.

Plenty on here, I find nanna 8 who I like that.

petra Sat 22-Aug-26 08:32:34

MT62

Not all will be bad people, but if the government feels the need to hand out pamphlets to these people, on how it is wrong to have sex with underage people- clearly I find it a little disturbing to say the least.
In some cultures it is ok to marry girls as young as 10 years old, ((maybe they do need these pamphlets)
Clearly they will think it’s ok to do this in this country, (go with youngsters) & to Pester young females (I’ve seen it in Manchester).
It has nothing to do with skin colour.

The reason behind the distribution of these leaflets is a legal one.
Several migrants who have committed rape claim they didnt know
Now the government can use these leaflets as evidence that you were told it’s illegal.