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I don’t discriminate, but ….

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nanna8 Fri 21-Aug-26 13:57:25

What I really don’t like is virtue signalling. I always think that these are the worst as regards racism, being judgemental and looking for faults that don’t exist.

fancythat Fri 21-Aug-26 13:57:16

I would like local authorities to be able to compulsory purchase properties that have been empty for , say two years, for a nominal sum, that is if the owner can be found, and just take possession if the owner is unknown.

Owner unknown would be theft.

Two years - I know people nowadays who are taking up to 7 years from purchase to making a home.
Mainly because funds are hard to come by.
So people are taking far longer to buy a property and do it up. Well they are around here.

ViceVersa Fri 21-Aug-26 13:56:05

Lizzies

I saw someone the other day say that getting planning permission for the spaces above retail premises to be used for accommodation is really difficult. If councils want more accommodation in towns then surely this would solve some problems. People would be near places to work and wouldn’t need to travel, they would use the shops nearby and keep them more viable, etc.

Funnily enough, my daughter has twice tried to buy different flats which were above retail premises, and found it almost impossible to find a mortgage lender willing to lend on such a property - supposedly because there is greater risk of break-ins, etc.

LemonJam Fri 21-Aug-26 13:54:53

Well said Cossy- I couldn't agree more.

MartavTaurus - I agree with you also. When someone begins a sentence by saying "I am not racist but" or "I am not homophobic but* their words that follow indeed carry their emphasis by virtue of their position in the sentence. That's easy to see and understand.

Even when the second part is a contradiction to their initial statement "I am not racist but" the second part is the true meaning of their message and the latter statement is indeed the stronger message and more remembered by the listener.

Graphite Fri 21-Aug-26 13:54:26

He could start by addressing those houses in every county, up and down Britain, currently left empty.

A cause dear to my heart which I have mentioned many times before but something which Burnham, who says he is keen to devolve powers to local authorities, might do something about.

The empty homes data published by Action on Empty Homes is drawn from local council tax records.

www.actiononemptyhomes.org/facts-and-figures

static1.squarespace.com/static/6553693f7d629a133b6a4ece/t/6930a237c226f15c8bcdc151/1764794935462/data+overview+THIS+ONE.pdf

I’d like to see ambitious targets set for identifying why particular homes have been left empty and local councils exercising the necessary interventions (and giving support if required) to bring them back into use.

Lizzies Fri 21-Aug-26 13:53:52

I saw someone the other day say that getting planning permission for the spaces above retail premises to be used for accommodation is really difficult. If councils want more accommodation in towns then surely this would solve some problems. People would be near places to work and wouldn’t need to travel, they would use the shops nearby and keep them more viable, etc.

AGAA4 Fri 21-Aug-26 13:35:52

Good post Cossy. People like to have someone to blame for problems in society and the boat people are taking the brunt of their dissatisfaction.
If they are blamed then people don't have to think any further about what causes all the present difficulties.

MartavTaurus Fri 21-Aug-26 13:29:47

A good post and an interesting one.

However, from my days of linguistics, I remember learning that the words that come after but and although carry more emphasis by virtue of their position in the sentence. I can't remember what it was called used this way, a something or other conjunctive, and its function is to make the latter statement the stronger and more remembered by the listener, who then sees it as a contradiction of the first statement, when it might not be.

A bit of a jumble here, I know, but just to say I would cut people some slack by second guessing the manner in which they express themselves.

The rest of the post is sound.

Cossy Fri 21-Aug-26 13:22:33

Fallingstar

Rough sleepers usually self medicate with drugs or drink because most have mental health problems and have fallen through enormous cracks in our care system. For the past few decades huge cuts have been made to care for adults with mental health problems but have saved no money because rough sleepers often take up beds in the NHS or end up in our prisons, all of which costs money.
Caring for theses adults will free up goodness knows how many places in our prisons, because many inmates are mentally ill, so instead of early releases I think it would be wise to address this.

I completely agree flowers

Fallingstar Fri 21-Aug-26 13:11:49

Rough sleepers usually self medicate with drugs or drink because most have mental health problems and have fallen through enormous cracks in our care system. For the past few decades huge cuts have been made to care for adults with mental health problems but have saved no money because rough sleepers often take up beds in the NHS or end up in our prisons, all of which costs money.
Caring for theses adults will free up goodness knows how many places in our prisons, because many inmates are mentally ill, so instead of early releases I think it would be wise to address this.

Ladyleftfieldlover Fri 21-Aug-26 13:09:27

Well said Cossy.

Fallingstar Fri 21-Aug-26 13:05:54

Well said Cossy.
Could not say it better 💐

Ilovecheese Fri 21-Aug-26 12:49:11

You are right Cossy
Regarding the rough sleeping problem though, what Andy Burnham has said he will do is offer rough sleepers a place.
He can't compel people to take up the offer but at least he is intending to do what is possible, as it was during covid.

I would like local authorities to be able to compulsory purchase properties that have been empty for , say two years, for a nominal sum, that is if the owner can be found, and just take possession if the owner is unknown.

Doodledog Fri 21-Aug-26 12:29:47

I couldn't agree more, Cossy. Well said.

Cossy Fri 21-Aug-26 12:26:21

Why don’t people just admit that they do discriminate?

Really, I’m not racist, BUT……
I’m not homophobic, BUT …….

The BUT almost always means you are are what you are at pains to state you’re not.

There simply is no “but”.

In terms of Asylum Seekers, yet again I see, now it’s about housing.

Let’s be very clear, once “processed” and given both leave to remain and right to work, no Asylum Seeker magically jumps to the top of any social housing list.

Once given both leave to remain and right to work AS are granted exactly the same rights as anyone else living here, no more, no less.

They can apply for social housing, and be given the right to bid. Just like anyone else living here.

I see quite a lot about veterans and rough sleeping on here too.

Veterans, on the whole, have many charities dedicated just to them, this is how it should be. They also have dedicated provision paid for by government. There is a lot of help here in our country for veterans. However, they have to apply, they have to ask to access it, just like anyone else.

Rough sleeping is a really tough one to resolve, for so many reasons.

Firstly, there’s a large percentage of rough sleepers who have addictions, usually drugs and/or alcohol, and this can make them volatile and difficult to both handle and to find them acceptable accommodation.

We desparately need far more residential rehabs for these people. They simply cannot be housed whilst addicted.

Andy Burnham did a pretty good job in Manchester, but he’ll soon find out that it’s a different kettle of fish trying to resolve this countrywide.

He could start by addressing those houses in every county, up and down Britain, currently left empty 100% of the time.

We have so many issues he needs to address and it’s going to take time and shedloads of money to resolve these issues.

Whether you’re prepared to admit it or not, if the small boats suddenly stopped overnight and we deported all the remaining waiting to be processed, very little would actually change overnight, or even in the foreseeable future.

Austerity and massive cuts in services for 14 years have helped lead us to this place, coupled with Brexit and Covid. We have massive staff shortages in so many crucial areas.

We need to address the issues these things caused and are continuing to cause.

When you then add in things like hotter and hotter weather and unpredictable weather events worldwide, we will the see the effects of these in droughts and food production.

This is not the time to keep on blaming anyone “different” to ourselves for our own country’s and worldwide problems.

Now is time to unite and realise only by working together and supporting each other, along with possible rises in income tax, can we fund and get through all the things affecting this country and others.

I’m sure some of will have a, but……

That’s entirely your prerogative.
My post, is entirely mine! (IMHO)

Enjoy your day and have a peaceful weekend thanks