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Electric buses arriving on our main bus route giving me a problem

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Aely Fri 11-Sept-26 13:01:56

I used the interactive AI reply when I "googled" unsuitable Yutong electric buses in our area and asked about shopping trolleys. It said to use the priority seats at the front and hold the trolley in the wheelchair area. I replied the barrier was too high to reach over. It said I was correct and to pull the trolley between my feet and the barrier. I said there was no room and it said I was correct, sit in "one of the flip up seats in the buggy area. There is only one seat and a lot of buggies. It replied I must give up the seat area to a buggy or wheelchair. Presumably I then get off and wait for another bus with my fingers crossed I will have somewhere to sit.

It specified that the Yutong buses are not designed for people with shopping but for commuters and student travel.

I took my 2 wheel trolley with me yesterday and (illegally) put it in the aisle. Luckily the bus was quiet. I was sitting next to another elderly lady who said she no longer shops by bus, only for appointments. She has gone back to using her diesel powered car, as have her car driving friends. Unfortunately I don't have that option

Aely Fri 04-Sept-26 22:13:12

Talking about trains, on Wednesday my daughter has promised to take me to Monkey World in Wiltshire - but I have to get to Andover, where she lives, by train and meet her there. She was going to pick up my folding mobility scooter today when she came to take me to the Chiropodist but she is poorly and couldn't come. (The 3 mile journey, about 12 minutes by car took me 50 minutes one way and over an hour the other by bus, what with buses not turning up).

OK, the scooter folds into a "suitcase on wheels" so bus to train station. Guess what? The lifts at the station are out of order. I can probably get it up the steps given time but I can't get it safely back down as it's weight would pull me with it. I'll check if the lifts are working nearer the time and hope the bus that turns up is the non-electric type with room for the folded scooter.

pen50 Fri 04-Sept-26 09:48:26

I am reminded of the train I take for part of my journey to work - the step up from the platform is nearly 2 feet! Luckily I'm still fairly fit but heaven knows what I will be able to manage in a few years' time.

And of course nowadays flexible working means you have to lug your laptop and associated accessories around with you....

Elusivebutterfly Fri 04-Sept-26 09:46:45

We have a bus route run by electric buses in my area. They are rarely able to complete the whole journey without running out of charge. They usually terminate early and miss the last couple of miles of the route.

shysal Fri 04-Sept-26 09:37:33

Bus passengers in Oxford have been told that the electric buses cannot use their air conditioning in the hot weather because they would run out of power.
It seems that electric is not always best. I have managed to always avoid the raised seats as I would feel very unsafe.

4allweknow Thu 03-Sept-26 21:34:44

Go with MOnica's points. Whole situation has not been thought out.

Aely Thu 03-Sept-26 15:20:00

M0nica, the weight problem on the bridge already features on a local FB page and I did mention it to the Stagecoach guy.
On the bus today, yet again not a Nepali to be seen, but plenty of passengers loudly discussing the seating problems. It seems like I am far from being the only discontented passenger.

Aely Thu 03-Sept-26 15:14:26

I had the same thought Wombat - but they usually leave the mountaineering to their menfolk while the ladies carry the shopping home. smile

ExaltedWombat Thu 03-Sept-26 14:31:44

I thought the Nepalese were expert mountaineers?

(Sorry! grin)

JacquiG Thu 03-Sept-26 13:49:29

They should have tested a bus with a sample of typical passengers of all types. Clothes from China are usually very small for size. Is it the same with Chinese buses?

M0nica Wed 02-Sept-26 18:52:20

Oh, and post on your local Facebook page. Our local authority are back tracking very fast over plans they had to build flats on the main town centre carparks of the three main towns in the area after a a campaign grew up from people protesting on Facebook.

M0nica Wed 02-Sept-26 18:49:22

Aely Contact your MP, possibly your local branch and/or the national offices of the Health & Safety Executive, and local radio/newspapers.

Aely Wed 02-Sept-26 16:46:36

I spoke to someone at the County Council (they approved them for the route) and she gave me the number to ring at Stagecoach where the guy listened and said it was very useful feedback and hopefully they could "tweak" the design. Unfortunately, because of the need to accommodate the ginormous batteries I doubt there is much they can do.

I should also have mentioned that nobody thought to check that the "weak bridge" on the route was up to the job. The buses, if full, exceed the maximum weight by 2 tons and they have to be diverted, losing several stops and robbing one area of the bus altogether. Actually, most drivers take the risk of us landing in the canal and ignore the diversion.

M0nica Wed 02-Sept-26 16:36:35

Have you taken this up with the local bus company your local Council and your MP, pointing out, of course of the problems for your local Nepali community.

You explain the problem so clearly in your post, use it as the text for the authorities. The seat with the drop sounds dangerous, so pick up on health and safety issues as well. Say you will sue if you have to sit there again and sustain an injury.

Either the bus company or the council should have checked out the suitability of these buses for the routes they follow before ordering them.

Aely Wed 02-Sept-26 16:26:39

Our current Italian built double decker diesel buses are being replaced by new electric buses from China. They give a very quiet ride so I can listen to my MP3 player while travelling and it is nice not to get a face full of fumes when I get off and the bus pulls away - BUT -

They haven't taken our local demographic into account when choosing the new bus.

This bus route is the direct connection between three neighbouring towns and travels mostly up and down the Main Road between them, venturing off into the main shopping area in each. In the morning it fills up with workers and older students, the latter refilling them mid afternoon as they return home, and then again workers in the evening but the rest of the day it is a combination of people, mainly elderly out doing their shopping or going to appointments and young mothers with their buggies and pre-school age children getting in supplies.
In the "old" buses a lot of friendly seat swapping took place to accommodate people according to their needs downstairs while any young, fit unencumbered passengers headed upstairs. It worked quite well.
However, there are now far fewer seats (24) downstairs and all but 4, (plus a jump seat in the buggy/wheelchair section), are raised because of the under-floor batteries. The steps up range between about 8" and 12" in height (20cm and 30cm).
The seats are also a bit less wide as is the foot space between them, leaving one's knees as the only place for putting shopping. The only place a shopping trolley can be safely placed is the jump seat/buggy/second wheelchair space and this area is usually needed to accommodate at least one pushchair. It is no longer possible to hold onto a shopping trolley in this area while sitting in a front seat anyway.
The wheelchair space (rarely needed) no longer has an optional jump seat and only hanging straps are provided there. Like our elderly Nepalese residents I am too short to reach them.

I got on the bus to go to my Mobility class the other day. All four "low" seats were occupied by people who needed them. With one person pulling and one pushing I got me and my stick up the step into a vacant seat where I perched with nothing between me and a long drop. Very scary going round corners on that hard, narrow, slippery plastic seat! I was looking for my parachute or abseil rope to get down safely at my stop... Luckily I had not planned to go shopping after the class as I can't carry much and usually use a small trolley.

I have noticed our Nepali elderlies seem to be waiting for the rapidly declining diesel buses and not travelling on the EV's. They usually travel in a group of up to ten people and there just aren't enough seats they can use as most of them are shorter than my 5' 1", frail and wouldn't manage the high steps safely.