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Cossy Fri 18-Sept-26 11:41:12

Elusivebutterfly

Cossy Praise to you for doing a much needed and difficult job that many people would feel unable to cope with.

Thank you, it was emotionally and mentally draining.

I was lucky as in our area I had a buddy, a truly brilliant women who was great company, as well as a wonderful colleague. We became very close and we had very different skills, so complementary each other perfectly.

When working with a new “partner organisation” we had to give presentations, which she hated both pulling together and presenting, so she was my wingman and clicked the pages etc on the computer.

I loathed the amount of different paperwork we had to maintain, she was absolutely brilliant at this!

We are still in touch.

Sarnia Fri 18-Sept-26 11:34:45

Cossy

Sarnia

Is this Social Justice Team still operational? Cossy mentions it was 'experimental' but it seems to me exactly what is needed today.

I read her remit list and I would hazard a guess that every single one of them is either in crisis or very near.

How many times have we read recently about those who were known to so many different agencies and services yet nobody liaised with anyone else? A team like Cossy's could be vital in joining the dots and preventing some of the tragedies we hear about all too often.

In our offices it was “shut down” as our particular jobcentre manager (looming after three jobcentres) deemed it unecessary.

The great and forward thinking manager has now retired, so no doubt other areas may now have “closed” the project down.

Very shortsighted, imo, as we had the ability, if necessary, to literally spend hours at a time with these families and to accompany them to all their appointments with other services. It was a truly “joined” up approach.

What a short sighted decision to close your team and others like it.
How many times have we seen vital services shut, often as a money saving measure, to the detriment of those who relied on them?
Closing the mental health institutions and replacing it with Care in the Community springs to mind for me. Also the Sure Start centres that were such a help to families.

Elusivebutterfly Fri 18-Sept-26 11:20:55

Cossy Praise to you for doing a much needed and difficult job that many people would feel unable to cope with.

Cossy Fri 18-Sept-26 10:27:18

Looking not looming!

Cossy Fri 18-Sept-26 10:26:05

Sarnia

Is this Social Justice Team still operational? Cossy mentions it was 'experimental' but it seems to me exactly what is needed today.

I read her remit list and I would hazard a guess that every single one of them is either in crisis or very near.

How many times have we read recently about those who were known to so many different agencies and services yet nobody liaised with anyone else? A team like Cossy's could be vital in joining the dots and preventing some of the tragedies we hear about all too often.

In our offices it was “shut down” as our particular jobcentre manager (looming after three jobcentres) deemed it unecessary.

The great and forward thinking manager has now retired, so no doubt other areas may now have “closed” the project down.

Very shortsighted, imo, as we had the ability, if necessary, to literally spend hours at a time with these families and to accompany them to all their appointments with other services. It was a truly “joined” up approach.

Dontcallmelove Fri 18-Sept-26 10:24:20

Farmor15

Thank you Cossy- I'm having mixed feelings about something
I've just volunteered for, but your post has made me realise I might be useful to even one person!

I had a similar dilemma a few years ago when I volunteered at a charity. I changed my role after a year there and would call people to register them. One day I spoke to a gentleman who told me about his circumstances and also told me he stammered which meant he had low confidence. We chatted for a while, I gave him a bit of advice and reassurance and went onto the next person. A couple of weeks later my manager emailed me to say that she had received a letter from this gentleman to say how much our conversation had affected him and given him confidence at a really low time in his life. He had taken some of my advice on board and felt he could now put things into perspective.

Just for this one person, me being there for him, made it worth it.

Cossy Fri 18-Sept-26 10:22:36

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I’d heard that analogy years ago too Cossy it’s poignant isn’t it?

As a Humanist I find my kindnesses to others stems from believing ‘this is all there is’. No afterlife. No meeting up of souls on the other side. So it’s important to me to tell people that I love them and admire them while I can. No second chances you see. If I’m out and about I’ll compliment someone on a lovely dress or hairstyle. Not in a creepy way, just a smile and a comment.

However being kind doesn’t mean I’m a saint. (Bit of an oxymoron there!). I still get cross about perceived liberties that some groups of people persist on taking.

I understand this.

Cossy Fri 18-Sept-26 10:21:36

GrannyGravy13

I first heard the starfish story 37 years ago in Australia.

I also have experience of a couple we knew very well housing young male asylum seekers. Helping them through school, college and in one case going on to University.

Their stories of how they arrived here were horrifying, at least one story was found to be fabricated.

Two of those they tried to help stole from them and fellow asylum seekers housed with them and went on to disappear into the ether

I am aware that this has gone towards my opinion on the current asylum seekers situation.

I am also aware that many of those arriving here by whatever means are fleeing from horrific circumstances. Unfortunately it is not always possible to separate the good from the bad.

I am also uncomfortable with the amount of freedom those awaiting their right to remain decision have, and how many disappear into the grey maybe criminal economy.

I completely understand this, as I always said, we are shaped by our own experiences and very sadly there are “good” and “bad” people worldwide and I absolutely condemn anyone who behaves in the manner you describe and totally acknowledge not everyone is honest and that some Asylum Seekers are using the stories of others, in order words blatantly lying, in order to access services, empathy and a place in our country.

Like everything, a few ruining it for the many.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 18-Sept-26 10:11:44

I am mindful of the safety instructions on planes

put your own oxygen mask on first, before helping others

Unless we are fit both mentally and physically it is very difficult if not nigh on impossible to help anyone else.

I try to be kind in real life and on here (my only active social media account)

Sarnia Fri 18-Sept-26 10:06:27

Is this Social Justice Team still operational? Cossy mentions it was 'experimental' but it seems to me exactly what is needed today.

I read her remit list and I would hazard a guess that every single one of them is either in crisis or very near.

How many times have we read recently about those who were known to so many different agencies and services yet nobody liaised with anyone else? A team like Cossy's could be vital in joining the dots and preventing some of the tragedies we hear about all too often.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Fri 18-Sept-26 10:03:50

I’d heard that analogy years ago too Cossy it’s poignant isn’t it?

As a Humanist I find my kindnesses to others stems from believing ‘this is all there is’. No afterlife. No meeting up of souls on the other side. So it’s important to me to tell people that I love them and admire them while I can. No second chances you see. If I’m out and about I’ll compliment someone on a lovely dress or hairstyle. Not in a creepy way, just a smile and a comment.

However being kind doesn’t mean I’m a saint. (Bit of an oxymoron there!). I still get cross about perceived liberties that some groups of people persist on taking.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 18-Sept-26 10:00:52

I first heard the starfish story 37 years ago in Australia.

I also have experience of a couple we knew very well housing young male asylum seekers. Helping them through school, college and in one case going on to University.

Their stories of how they arrived here were horrifying, at least one story was found to be fabricated.

Two of those they tried to help stole from them and fellow asylum seekers housed with them and went on to disappear into the ether

I am aware that this has gone towards my opinion on the current asylum seekers situation.

I am also aware that many of those arriving here by whatever means are fleeing from horrific circumstances. Unfortunately it is not always possible to separate the good from the bad.

I am also uncomfortable with the amount of freedom those awaiting their right to remain decision have, and how many disappear into the grey maybe criminal economy.

Farmor15 Fri 18-Sept-26 09:54:10

Thank you Cossy- I'm having mixed feelings about something
I've just volunteered for, but your post has made me realise I might be useful to even one person!

Ilovecheese Fri 18-Sept-26 09:50:08

Thank you Cossy
I have not had anything like as much experience as you have but am aware of my good luck in being born where and when I was, and that it was just good luck.

Cossy Fri 18-Sept-26 09:43:53

For over five years, whilst working within the DWP, probably be around 2012 and 2018, I fulfilled a role as part of an “experimental team”, called The Social Justice Team.

We all worked across Essex, were a team of probably only 25, and were outreach.

Some of us were “loaned” to local authorities, some of us based within Jobcentres. I did both roles, spending a couple years, in each role.

The manager who oversaw us and indeed helped set up this team, facilitated monthly meetings where we could all meet up, share best practise, share our stories and get support.

We worked across a very wide range of sectors/charities/services, and our remit was to help families in chaos to remove the barriers they had, to eventually get them to the point where they were “work ready”. It was hard work and we regularly worked 12 hour days, travelled a lot and worked with people either in their own homes or places outside the Jobcentres like public libraries (where many of us set up “job clubs”).

It entailed working extremely closely with;

Probation
Police
After-care team (careleavers)
Social Services
Housing
Drug and alcohol rehab
Local councils
Local charities.
Former Gang members.
Travellers.

When I attended one of my first monthly meetings our manager shared this “story”;

“A boy and his wise grandfather were walking early one morning, upon a beach littered with dying starfish, stranded from the outgoing tide.

Every two steps the grandfather would slowly and painfully reach down, very gently pick up a starfish and place it carefully back into the sea. Grandfather, the boy asked, there’s so many dying starfish here, why are you bothering to save just a few? It makes no difference. Grandfather knelt down to his grandsons height and gently replied, it makes a difference to those we save”

I worked with so many desperate people and families, including some unaccompanied youths from war torn countries, some families born in this country but torn apart by horrific events in their lives, drug addicts, prison leavers, victims of both sexual and domestic abuse.

The starfish analogy has stayed with me.

We cannot save everyone, we cannot have all asylum seekers living here, but we can do “our bit”.

Had I stayed within the private sector working for commercial companies, I would never have been exposed to people, families, events, which have really shaped me.

It made me far more emphatic, more compassionate and certainly extremely grateful for my own situation.

I met Asylum Seekers, I attended conferences and training around people trafficking and modern slavery.

We worked directly with Kent and Essex Serious Crime Squad and on a project with Essex police around gangs and county lines.

When I speak about these things, I speak from personal and lived experience, I see people as human beings, I check and doublechech my sources, I rarely post simple opinions, I try to stick with facts. (Still I managed to sometimes get it wrong).

It was truly an eye opening few years, I considered it a privilege to be invited to listen to these people’s stories, be invited into their homes, and to actually make a difference with a sizeable proportion of them.

Thank you, to anyone who has actually made it to the end of my long post.