Reading one of your posts bee63, I really can't agree that MN is all about MIL and children, it's got a massive amount of subscribers and at any one time there will be umpteen threads on just about everything, the word "mum" in the title is in some ways is a misnomer. I have certainly been enlightened over there on the controversy surrounding trans gender issues. MN gave birth to GN, not literally, but GN in many ways is a microcosm of MN, but nevertheless umpteen subjects are up for discussion. Not everyone wants to discuss the ins and outs of parenting and grandparenting and the inevitable "in law" dynamics to the exclusion of everything else, but of course they are bound to come up. Sometimes a problem shared can be a good thing.