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Gender neutral ships now!

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Urmstongran Wed 24-Apr-19 13:52:22

Who exactly is this supposed to appease? I can't think of anyone, male or female who would be that offended by how an INANIMATE SHIP is referred to!

It's an historical tradition for crying out loud.

Septimia Wed 24-Apr-19 14:01:32

Absolutely daft!
It's like the used of the word 'chairman' - it's the title of the job, not the gender of the person doing it, although that might not have been the case originally. I'd much rather be referred to as 'madam chairman' than as 'the chair' - wooden and inanimate!

Elegran Wed 24-Apr-19 14:11:04

Are we all wo-persons now, now wo-men?

Elegran Wed 24-Apr-19 14:13:12

Oh, wo is me! Wo is me. Infamy, infamy, they've all got it infamy!

Elegran Wed 24-Apr-19 14:14:18

NOT wo-men, not NOW wo-men.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 24-Apr-19 14:20:20

Well I do not give a flying banana........ my new car is a she and shall remain a she.

These so called gender neutral fanatics are getting on my **!!!!!!!!

Rufus2 Wed 24-Apr-19 14:22:20

"T'was on the good ship Inanimate...…."!
No! Can't come up with a re-draft! I'm still trying to come to terms with what a Ukrainian comedian's repertoire consisits of; not a Benny Hill, I'm sure! grin

Bellanonna Wed 24-Apr-19 14:53:14

Who on earth has suggested this??

Urmstongran Wed 24-Apr-19 14:56:45

A maritime museum in Scotland Bellanonna after repeated vandalism scratching out on the words ‘she’ from texts on display.

Callistemon Wed 24-Apr-19 15:19:16

Can't see the RN agreeing to that!
Although many of HMS do have male names.

maryeliza54 Wed 24-Apr-19 15:21:01

Ships never used to have a gender ( introduced 19c I believe) - they certainly never had a sex that’s for sure . It’s nothing like the issue of words like chairman because a woman who’s in the chair does have a sex. I couldn’t care less about ships or cars or any inanimate object but I care about how language reflects biological reality.

phoenix Wed 24-Apr-19 15:30:20

"T'was on the good ship Inanimate.

The one without a fanny mate.

She came into dock, with no sign of a cock,

And the crew did declare, with an icy cold stare "now the PC brigade have made us irate"

phoenix Wed 24-Apr-19 15:31:22

I'll get me coat............

Blinko Wed 24-Apr-19 15:36:10

Phoenix grin

Just a thought, Ark Royal is an inanimate name....

Callistemon Wed 24-Apr-19 15:40:01

There are dozens, if not hundreds, of inanimate and male names of RN ships, Blinko, nonetheless they are always referred to in the feminine.
One prosaic explanation is that the gender of the Latin word for “ship” — Navis — is feminine. But people generally agree on the more romantic notion of the ‘ship as a she’ phenomenon: that it stems from the tradition of boat-owners, typically and historically male, naming their vessels after significant women in their lives — wives, sweethearts, mothers. Similarly, and more broadly, ships were once dedicated to goddesses, and later also to mortal women of national or historic significance, thereby bestowing a benevolent feminine spirit on the vessels that would carry seafarers across treacherous oceans. Figureheads on the prows of ships were often depictions of such female namesakes, denoting the name of the ship for a largely illiterate maritime population.

phoenix Wed 24-Apr-19 15:40:13

Some senior Naval bod phoned in to the Today programme to say what a load of old codswallop this is, the ships are like a "mother" to their crews, as they (the ships) provide a home for them and protect them while they are at sea.

Callistemon Wed 24-Apr-19 15:42:16

phoenix grin
did she it tie up to the nearest of the load of old bollards?

Anniebach Wed 24-Apr-19 15:42:53

My mode of transport is Male 😀

Callistemon Wed 24-Apr-19 15:43:54

grin
DH's car is definitely male.
I cannot cope with it.

maryeliza54 Wed 24-Apr-19 15:52:58

In many languages this wouldn’t be an issue would it?

phoenix Wed 24-Apr-19 16:02:17

Oh I don't know, in French almost all inanimate objects seem to have a gender assigned to them.

maryeliza54 Wed 24-Apr-19 16:15:40

Well that was my point exactly - eg le bateau, therefore always referred to as ‘il’ he. In English the gender doesn’t exist so has to be assigned when using the pronoun (if we want to assign a gender that is)

maryeliza54 Wed 24-Apr-19 16:16:48

All nouns in French have a gender whether inanimate or not

Callistemon Wed 24-Apr-19 16:22:48

whereas in ancient Latin nouns could be masculine, feminine or neuter - as in my post above a boat (navis) is feminine.

maryeliza54 Wed 24-Apr-19 16:24:17

And in German. The point is that the gender in many languages is a given and therefore not to be argued about