Soya Mince

Yes, I deliberately put those sites that are ambivalent, because the evidence is not 100%. However it is enough for me not to buy soy products such as soy milk or soy meat substitutes. We all get lumbered with the stuff in bread and other products - try buying bread without soy - very hard to find.

I have heard that poor people in America end up with lots of soy products when they are on food stamps, and there is anecdotal evidence that this is causing early puberty in girls from poor families. Again, I have no proof.

In the end, I prefer natural old-fashioned food: my sister, in France, has a great rule for food - if it has to be made in a factory, or your great grandma would not recognise it, avoid it like the plague. She is a transplant recipient on immune-suppressant drugs and has to watch her health. Every 6 months she has blood tests and they are always perfect. She is the star transplant patient in Paris, and her surgeon is thinking of doing diet tests based on her dietary findings.

When your own life depends on it, you try to get the diet right.

Joan! I looked at the links you sent on soya products but is there any proper evidence. ie evidence substantiated by peer reviewed research into adverse effects of soya products. The Scientific American study was not conclusive. but looked at the rather conflicting research.
Optimum choices.com is a commercial company trying to promote alternative products "they would say that wouldnt they."
I would want a lot lot more evidence than that. The worlds press is dreadful at reporting scientific information usually wanting to get a quick headline rather than a full discussion of someones research and the limitations in these results.

Any way oop me duck.

kitty.

A lot of what I have said lately on here and the response it has got, I wish it had fallen on deaf ears!

Thank you POGS, I though it had fallen on deaf ears!

Grannylin

A few (many) years ago,as a supply teacher, I had to cover a Domestic Science class, it wouldn't be allowed these days.The mixed class of 30 kids had all brought their ingredients to make spaghetti bolognese.Two girls working together had brought some sort of meat substitute in powder form and they tipped the whole lot into a saucepan with water and a tin of tomatoes.They had no idea what they were doing ( nor me, I taught French!) and as soon as I turned my back the substitute meat starting growing and growing and billowing all over the cooker ... the class went wild and abandoned their 'cooking' to come and watch! Definitely my worst class ever and completely put me off soya mince

My mother used to boast that my great-grandfather hunted with the Quorn. In turn, I used to quote Oscar Wilde about 'the unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable'. She was not amused.

kitty

A bit late reading this thread.

Very funny. Do you think the 'Hunt' eat a lot of quorn.

Links
www.optimumchoices.com/Soy.htm
www.altmedtoday.com/17/soy_good_or_bad/
www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=soybean-fertility-hormone-isoflavones-genistein

I don't think Soy is good for you, apart from in the fermented form as soy sauce. It is usually GM anyway. I'll find some links.

Soya mince comes in various forms. Some supermarkets do a processed frozen "meat free mince" which is quite tasty.
Ingredients
Rehydrated soya protein, rapeseed oil, onion powder, yeast extract, garlic powder, barley malt.
You can buy a dried soya mince from some wholefood shops which is just a greyish dried soya product and is decidedly boring in both taste and texture. As a vegetarian I find the "meat free mince" makes and excellent spag bol or enchilladas etc.
(Now I have read the ingredients I will put the bag back in the freezer.)

The trouble with quorn is it makes me windy.

In the far distant past, I remember Sainsbury's selling a package of mixed beef mince and soya. I think I used it occasionally and nobody noticed the difference!

A while ago I used to use soya mince to bulk out minced steak when doing casseroles etc,it was really a cost thing at the time using cheaper mince was a waste of time and money as there was no taste to it and there was a very large fat content in it,I have not used soya for a long time but DD uses it on a regular basis and enjoys the meals she makes from it.

I prefer quorn to soya.

I am having a guest next month who doesn't eat meat, so I am going to experiment with soya. I have been meaning to try it anyway, as I read that it is very good for something - I just can't remember what! Perhaps it helps the memory!
When I am not having a vegetarian guest, I will probably use half beef mince and half soya.

I am not sure that soya mince, quorn or tofu, for that matter, are meat substitutes, although they are protein alternatives. As Annobel says, they do not have a strong flavour, or any, themselves so why not cook them with the flavourings used for bolognaise sauce or goulasch or anything else? The logic that makes soya mince or quorn a meat substitute would mean that beanburgers are meat substitutes as is a vegetable chilli. And what about soya,rice or oat milk?

Actually, Quorn is the next village to us and home to our youngest daughter and family

Quorn is a recognised brand, available in supermarkets. It doesn't taste of much and has to be flavoured or take up the flavour of whatever it's cooked with. At one time mycoproteins were touted as the solution to world hunger. Don't see any sign of that happening yet. DS2 uses it, but I've never seen any point in it.

Quotn is a mycoprotein!

I knew there was a word "quorn". So it's a Proper Noun, is it, a trademark doo-dah?

nonu,

So it fills u up ? duh

I'm with you on that Ariadne. What is the point of giving up meat only to resort to meat 'substitutes'? I feel the same way about Quorn.

Does anyone remember those packets of soya mince you could buy many years ago (probably 70s)? You could either use it on its own or mix it with beef mince. I used it a couple of times, simply because it was cheap, but the then OH wasn't keen!