Vegan/Plant Based Do you ever wonder about the animals you eat eat.

Grantanow your post could be written by a meat eater, a vegetarian or a vegan.

Shouldn’t everyone know where their food comes from? And if you eat meat or fish, it makes sense to at least find out how your choices affect the lives animals lead. Could I suggest that anyone who eats meat/fish/dairy/eggs but wants to know more about how to make ethical choices, looks at the website of Compassion in n World Farming www.ciwf.org? It’s a non-extremist charity that works with farmers and consumers to improve animal welfare. I’m a volunteer school speaker for CIWF and their work is really valuable.

I enjoy a varied diet and I intend to carry on with it regardless of being preached at by particular groups.

Many animal foods contain high amounts of vitamin B12 because they accumulate this bacterial product during their lives, and livestock are often supplemented with vitamin B12 in their feed. These animals are also exposed to manure in their living conditions, with some even being fed manure. (For example, cows are sometimes fed poultry waste.) In fact, the FDA has reported that most meats are contaminated with fecal bacteria. So animals are given b12 supplements. Plant based sources of B12 such as fortified non dairy milks, cereals, mushrooms, nutritional yeast are sources of B12. You don't need to eat dead bodies to get enough of this vitamin.

Nan99

Vitamin B12 is produced by bacteria, not animals or plants. As such, animals, including humans, must obtain it directly or indirectly from bacteria. It can be found in bacteria-laden manure and unsanitized water, though we obviously should not be consuming either of those things.

B12 comes from foods of animal origin, meat, fish, eggs. Natural . Cereals and yeast products are fortified.
So unless you want to eat bacteria laden root veg, not washed, dairy products are your only option. Or from a laboratory produced pill.

I was brought up to eat meat and whilst I eat very little now, that's not because of any outside influences. There are vegetarians who follow that path for the health of the animal and vegetarians who follow for their own health.'.

Maybe I'm particularly hard-hearted but looking into the eyes of a wee piglet doesn't stop me liking bacon.

It's not a case of "loving or not loving animals", if it was, then we'd have a league table.

Dear little fluffy lambs - love them, too cute to eat.
Haddock - who can love a haddock? Pass the lemon wedges.

People simply don't think like that.

In my experience, people care much more about the conditions animals are kept in and reared, and why should the death of the animal be the focus or point of vegetarianism?
We all die eventually and death is no big deal.

Yes, I know very well that death in a slaughterhouse is horrific and frightening to the animal so is death on the hills if a sheep is ill and can't get up. So is being pulled down by lions.

Animals, like people, rarely die peacefully. But horrific human death has never stopped wars or cruelty either. Cause and effect doesn't work here.

How an animals is treated when it's alive is, to me at least, the biggest issue

Mollygo

If you want to hand those out, I’m sure your vegan buddies would love one.

Ooohhhh....

The only vegan I know personally is an "Iron Man".

He could put it with the medals he's won.

volver3

Look what you can get on Amazon.

Why does this not surprise me.
Or even that anybody has so little to do they could bother to go looking.

If you want to hand those out, I’m sure your vegan buddies would love one.

Look what you can get on Amazon.

A badge I think volver, a big one.

No no, your daft insults won't divert from your ridiculous posts this time, Mollygo.

"Best vegans" indeed.

Will you be providing them with a certificate of approval?

volver3

The "best" vegans?

There isn't a standard for performance or acceptability that vegans need to aspire to.

Thank you so much V3! 🕸️ I knew you’d be on the look out for me posting!
Of course there isn’t a standard for performance etc. and if there was, I expect you’d put the proselytising vegans at the top.
Pop off back to your plant based soup. (I had some for lunch).

Better get on to the Vegetarian Society to inform them of the new standard.

As decided by GN. How to do vegan right 🤣🤣🤣.

The "best" vegans?

There isn't a standard for performance or acceptability that vegans need to aspire to.

The best vegans are those who lead by example but don’t preach or criticise others for not being vegan as so many seem to do.
Being told that I should be eating vegan king prawns (which do not taste like the real thing) or finding that the noodle soup recipe I’ve been using since my children were teens, has reappeared as No chicken noodle soup.
It never tasted like chicken soup, nor was it meant to.
Any vegan foods that contain chemical additives to make them taste acceptable (not all do) are a no!
Outwith the fact that you can’t hear /don’t know if crops suffer, are plant based foods which use vast amounts of land (and water that is needed for other purposes) any better? At the moment they are ‘ecologically sound’ but that may not be true if everyone converted.

I think one problem is that when we see others being "different" there are two types of people - either it makes us question what we are doing, or it (more probably) makes us defensive.

Some find it hard to accept that this (whatever it is) minority have a right to just get on with whatever it is so long as nobody is hurt.
I had ridicule, challenge and (sometimes) aggression as a vegetarian when that was "odd" in the early 1970s (and again, nothing to do with food, when we chose to home-educate) and then again when vegan.
It's "othering" and unnecessary.

Just felt the need to comment - nothing pointed intended.

It's actually quite easy to take weekly B12.

Any poster claiming no shortage of Vitamins in Vegan diet should check out this place

www.vegansociety.com/resources/nutrition-and-health/nutrients/vitamin-b12/what-every-vegan-should-know-about-vitamin-b12

sorry I can't remember how to make a hyperlink but this is the Vegan Society website. It tells you to take supplements or fortified foods to obtain Vit B12. I did plenty of research bak in the late 1980's unfortunately it wasn't accurate. I became deficient in B12. And that does matter although now it is very easy to take Vitamins it wasn't really back then. I couldn't even find probiotics despite reading about them.

This is rather a large leap from some posters saying they prefer to eat a vegetarian or vegan diet due to concerns about animal welfare
It was nothing to do with criticising anybody who prefers a vegetarian or vegan diet, but about OP's claim that a vegan diet could reverse some cancers.
Not the same thing at all.

It's up to each adult individual to choose which kinds of foods they eat.

Even though it might make them feel virtuous, one more person becoming vegetarian isn't going to change a single thing about how animals are reared. Profit will always be the deciding factor.

Be glad that the choice of food is there - for many people it isn't about choice, but about obtaining any food at all.

When people reject conventional therapy and put their faith in some crackpot snake oil (and yes, I mean it) fantasy they are deluded, not infrequently financially scammed and by rejecting even delaying conventional therapies all too often endanger ie shorten their own lives..This is rather a large leap from some posters saying they prefer to eat a vegetarian or vegan diet due to concerns about animal welfare.

It is interesting to note the tone of this thread; with few exceptions, the most strongly defended position is of the meat eaters.

Well said, Foxygloves!

It was that particular comment by OP which I took exception to and was flamed despite quoting it verbatim.
As far as the ethical, moral, nutritional, even financial aspects that is up to the individual.
With adequate information and a modicum of common sense it is perfectly possible to follow one’s. own path without recourse to fluffy ickle lamb images, pet cat or dog guilt trips or quasi medical anecdotal “evidence”