Vegan/Plant Based Do you ever wonder about the animals you eat eat.

Eating plant-based can help your health by reversing ... some cancers.

Here's some evidence....

But what I want to know is why doesn't this work miracles for everyone...!!!! So I'm going to ask really daft questions about it...!!!

I'm sorry for anybody dealing with cancer right now, but we should keep this thread in perspective.

Posters have really fixated on one comment made by the OP, which is fine but does tend to distract from a wider, more nuanced (and probably more interesting) discussion about the reasons people refrain from eating meat or animal derived products. We also have the usual ‘vegans try to preach/ convert others to their diet/ freedom of choice type posts, which tbh don’t add much to the debate either.

Of course a plant based diet doesn’t cure cancer, but it can be a healthier diet. It can also be an extremely unhealthy diet, just as a meat based diet can.

As for ‘is it a more ethical way of life?’ I suppose that depends on one’s ethics. I certainly think it’s a more compassionate way of life (and I’m not a vegan). Surely no one can argue that killing a chicken at 70 days (best case in organic farming) or a lamb between 10 weeks and six months is compassionate in any way, shape or form?

SueDonim

That’s still not reversing cancer, is it? (Most Pubmed is peer-viewed but not all.)

I really want to know if my son can stop his chemo treatment in favour of a totally plant based diet. Although he’s been advised to not eat a large array of fruit and veg. The only raw fruit he can consume is bananas and other permitted fruits must be cooked. Loads of veg also on the banned list.

No, it's not the same at all, and it speaks volumes that the OP hasn't actually returned to back up those claims with any actual scientific evidence.

@SueDonim and others I can think of, this subject must be very close to your hearts and equally distressing.
As indeed to those of us with cancer or who have lost husbands, parents or children to this cruel disease.
So go on eating your greens - nobody denies they are good for you - but don't expect immunity from cancer (or indeed, many examples of heart disease.)

I have no problem with anyone choosing whichever diet they choose - freedom of choice and all that. However, some vegans try to impose their choice on others - taking over restaurants which serve meat, blocking tables even throwing fake blood around, invading supermarkets and blocking customers access to the meat cabinets etc.

I once heard a vegan condescendingly lecturing some people about the food they were eating when one of the group, a doctor, quietly informed him what his vegan diet was doing to his bone density!

reversing heart disease and diabetes and some cancers
What part of "reversing some cancers" needs further than O level Biology explanation?

volver3

I'm going to eat some plant based soup for lunch while people keep posting the same sentence over and over again thinking they are saying something clever.

Hahaha, good response

This thread is warming up nicely now

Sneaks off to open a can of oxtail soup

That’s still not reversing cancer, is it? (Most Pubmed is peer-viewed but not all.)

I really want to know if my son can stop his chemo treatment in favour of a totally plant based diet. Although he’s been advised to not eat a large array of fruit and veg. The only raw fruit he can consume is bananas and other permitted fruits must be cooked. Loads of veg also on the banned list.

I'm going to eat some plant based soup for lunch while people keep posting the same sentence over and over again thinking they are saying something clever.

volver3

Had anyone said that eating plants stops you getting cancer?

I must have missed that bit.

Honestly, we're doomed.

The OP claims "Eating plant-based can help your health by reversing heart disease and diabetes and some cancers"

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36138327/

There is indication that higher intake of plant-based foods was associated with improved prognosis in cancer survivors. For colorectal cancer survival, a better prognosis was observed for a high intake of whole grains and fibre. For breast cancer survival, a higher intake of fruit, vegetable and fibre and a moderate intake of soy/isoflavone were associated with beneficial outcomes. A higher vegetable fat intake was related to improved prognosis in prostate cancer survivors. Emerging evidence suggests benefits of postdiagnosis plant-based diets on prognosis in cancer survivors.

Is PubMed peer reviewed? I don't know.

I don’t avoid meat and fish for health reason, but purely for the fact that I don’t need to eat a living creature to survive, so why would I ? I was a very minor meat eater, only really eating mainly chicken for years and years and then thought why are the poor chickens, often kept in truly horrible conditions, dying for my eating habits so stopped Then a few years ago I watched a Netflix docu about the killing of fish tuna etc and the thought of that blood filled water and those slaughtered alive beautiful fish stayed in my head and I just couldn’t eat it any more just couldnt

I am looking for peer reviewed evidence of the claim in the OP, Volver., which has yet to be provided. There’s no need to get snippy with me.

Had anyone said that eating plants stops you getting cancer?

I must have missed that bit.

Honestly, we're doomed.

Shelflife

Can someone please explain to me why they don't eat animals - and I fully respect and understand that but are ok about eating fish - another living creature?

Shelflife a vegetarian or vegan do not eat fish

This is what was said in the OP. Eating plant-based can help your health by reversing heart disease and diabetes and some cancers

No one has yet posted anything that proves the above is true.

Fwiw, my family member does eat a plant-based diet. It didn’t stop him getting cancer at a young age.

Humans (and other great apes) are biologically evolved omnivores. The problem is not the type of food we eat. There are just too many of us for the planet to support.

I think this inability to actually understand what people are telling you contributes to the misconception that all non-meat-eaters are zealots.

Did you read my post at 11:22 Foxygloves or were you so enraged that you just didn't bother?

volver3

I'll be the first one to say that people who tell you that eating broccoli will cure your cancer are deluded. You have conventional medicine and you stick with what the doctor tell you to do.

But that's not what was said. Nobody is saying "eat quinoa and you'll be cured".

But eat a good diet and your body will react better, and "plant based" is a good diet.

I'm not vegan by the way.

No, you calm down and reread OP
“Eating plant-based can help your health by reversing heart disease and diabetes and some cancers “

volver3

Calm down and try to get the facts straight before accusing people of fake news.

www.veganfirst.com/article/battling-cancer-with-a-plant-based-diet-a-survival-story

www.veganfoodandliving.com/vegan-diet/preventing-and-surviving-cancer-with-plant-based-diet/

www.pcrm.org/news/blog/7-ways-vegan-diet-fights-cancer

It may be anecdotal, but there is no need to launch into accusing people of promoting "Snake Oil"

No coincidence I suppose that these are Vegan websites?
How about the BMJ on “alternative” cancer therapy as opposed to traditional oncology?

When people reject conventional therapy and put their faith in some crackpot snake oil (and yes, I mean it) fantasy they are deluded, not infrequently financially scammed and by rejecting even delaying conventional therapies all too often endanger ie shorten their own lives.

I'll be the first one to say that people who tell you that eating broccoli will cure your cancer are deluded. You have conventional medicine and you stick with what the doctor tell you to do.

But that's not what was said. Nobody is saying "eat quinoa and you'll be cured".

But eat a good diet and your body will react better, and "plant based" is a good diet.

I'm not vegan by the way.

volver3

Calm down and try to get the facts straight before accusing people of fake news.

www.veganfirst.com/article/battling-cancer-with-a-plant-based-diet-a-survival-story

www.veganfoodandliving.com/vegan-diet/preventing-and-surviving-cancer-with-plant-based-diet/

www.pcrm.org/news/blog/7-ways-vegan-diet-fights-cancer

It may be anecdotal, but there is no need to launch into accusing people of promoting "Snake Oil"

None of those links prove anything about ‘reversing cancer’. They all refer to using conventional treatments as well as diet.

Calm down and try to get the facts straight before accusing people of fake news.

www.veganfirst.com/article/battling-cancer-with-a-plant-based-diet-a-survival-story

www.veganfoodandliving.com/vegan-diet/preventing-and-surviving-cancer-with-plant-based-diet/

www.pcrm.org/news/blog/7-ways-vegan-diet-fights-cancer

It may be anecdotal, but there is no need to launch into accusing people of promoting "Snake Oil"

shelflife I think we are all different and make our own choices.
I became veggie because of the factory farming . The thought of poor helpless animals in those concentration camps makes me feel sick and very angry.

I don't eat farmed fish either if I can help it but I am ambivalent about the eating of animals such as sheep and deer and so on who have had a we hope happy life.

In every discussion there seems to be a desire to "win the argument" to catch people out or to say "what about the poor vegetables they are also living things and feel pain".
I believe it comes down to doing what we can for a fairer and healthier world.
So eating less meat is a good start.

Eating plant-based can help your health by reversing heart disease and diabetes and some cancers
While a good diet and healthy eating
are paramount in avoiding type 2 Diabetes and avoiding heart disease, I think it is misleading, dishonest and downright immoral to suggest that diet can reverse or cure any cancer -on a par with that fad for coffee enemas.
Snake oil, FAKE NEWS