Vegan/Plant Based Do you ever wonder about the animals you eat eat.

That seems to be exactly what *SheepIzzy is doing.

If you do not have the land to rear your own meat, then once again I would recommend 'Pasture for Life' accredited meat.

Very expensive, but if you halve your meat portion and add extra vegetable, it is not any more expensive than middle range prices in the supermarket.

SheepyIzzy (for your mum).

I do wish that people who do eat meat would eat less of it and buy quality higher welfare meats instead.

Would also like to add, late 2000, mums cholesterol was sky high. Doctor said what not to eat. Just before Foot-Mouth hit the country in 2001, we'd sent off Midget, 29month old Heifer. We NEVER left the place for months! As smallholders we didn't want to risk our animals (we weren't the only livestock owners who thought like this). We only had Beef in stock.

Mum's cholesterol was checked as soon as we could leave the place, it had dropped! Doctor asked her "what have you done?"
"Lived on beef" she told him.

Do I wonder about the animals i eat? Yes, currently eating a heifer called Effy, she was born here on the front field! Aberdeen Angus X and small, either would be sold for meat or we eat her! Lambs in the freezer are 6 Shetland X wethers, again, I eat or someone else does.

Not everyone does factory farming, some of us are smallholders wanting to grow our own food! Yesterday's dinner was lamb, with broad beans and swift spuds out of the garden!

You can eat meat without contributing to the suffering of animals.

I only eat Pasture for LIfe meat. Animals reared this way do exactly what it says on the tin. They spend most of their lives outside grazing unimproved grassland that is rich in the variety of grasses and wild plants it contains. Any supplementary feeding is hay, usually from the farm they are raised on. They live a life very similar to that of wild cattle. However, if they are ill they will be seen and treated by a vet and they are safe from predators and from dying for starvation, should pastures be over grazed, ruined by flooding etc etc, which, of course happens in the wild. They are not fed soya or maize so do not contribute to the rape of the Amazon and arable land can all be used to grow food for humans.

It is the sytem used in the famous rewilding project at Knepp Farm knepp.co.uk/ More generally you can learn about more about this form of environmentally and animal kind rearing at www.pastureforlife.org/

The majority of greenhouse gasses are produces manufacturing fertilizers to grow crops and energy used to process them, if you want to feed the global population that’s not going to change.

Of course if the population was much less there would be no problem, regrettably population control is not on the agenda, and will continue to grow for the rest of the century.

ceejayjay I'm still not sure what uou meant then.

I thought you were saying that it was dishonest to call pig meat "pork" etc?

Now you are saying that "pigs are not pork".

I don't think anyone in the UK calls pigs "pork".

I think about the animal the whole time I'm eating the poor bugger.

Enough that its gradually spoiled meat eating for me.

I've always been the same since a child, though, really. Its inconvenient when you've no interest in cooking or creating dishes.

Well for our bbq today ceejayjay we have cow burgers, chicken kebabs and pig sausages. I just hope it doesn’t rain.

I’m a flexitarian and probably 95% of us are the same, if others choose to eat a different diet that’s fine but don’t tell me what a bad person I am for eating meat.

NotSpaghetti

Actually, the "naming of meat" does come from the actual names of the animals.

The Anglo-Saxon names - older than the names we now use for the animals.

Totally missed my point I’m saying pigs are not pork and bacon and cows are not beef burgers ? They are living sentient beings !!

Here is the info, I'm not quite correct but it's not dishonest S you seem to think:

www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sns-dailymeal-1623358-eat-why-pig-meat-called-pork-20180627-story.html#:~:text=So%20the%20Anglo%2DSaxon%20pig,mouton%2C%20(later%20mutton).

Actually, the "naming of meat" does come from the actual names of the animals.

The Anglo-Saxon names - older than the names we now use for the animals.

GrammaH

I'm neither vegan nor vegetarian although I do eat meat free meals on a regular basis as I like the taste - the same reason I eat meat. As a former farmer, I find the sweeping generalisations of the "disgusting" way farm animals are treated quite abhorrent , as I'm sure any caring member of the agricultural industry would. We are not all meat/milk barons with thousands of animals, there are still plenty who lovingly tend their animals from birth to death, giving them names and caring for them as well as they possibly can. I realise it's cool & trendy to be vegan and the industry is doing its best to promote the lifestyle - of course it is, it's in its own interests. It does make me laugh to see vegan food pretending to be meat though - why?? If it6s that good, it shouldn't need to pretend to be something it's not. I'm afraid I can appreciate a lamb in the field or on the plate, I love milk and there's nothing to beat a good steak.

I find it abhorrent that these members of the animal agriculture industry enslave innocent, sentient beings only to wave them off to be slaughtered !

Cool & trendy to be kind & do the least amount of harm is it ? I will take that.

Isn’t the animal agriculture industry doing its best to promote the lifestyle - of course it is, it's in its own interests. This is called business!

As for pretending to be meat. Some people miss the taste of meat even though ethically they would never eat it again. Why do you pretend pigs are pork & bacon and that cows are beef burgers ? Why not have a bit of honesty ?

SueDonim

Nan99 could you please provide the research behind this statement? Eating plant-based can help your health by reversing heart disease and diabetes and some cancers

I have a particular reason to learn about reversing cancer.

Please read Dr Gregers How not to die book if you are interested in this

I’m vegan for the animals. Couldn’t go on in my life contributing to the horrendous suffering animals in agriculture go through. The main thing for me was the dairy cows. Having baby after baby stolen, crying out for weeks, coupled with mastitis pain & being dragged off to slaughter when she no longer produced milk. But male chicks shredded alive on their first day of life was another massive factor as were the sows in the tiny crates. I’m not preachy at all, but like all vegans if there is ever a chance of a conversation where I can put over the animals side of the story, then it’s obvious I will take it, as it may help many more animals. I so wish someone had given me the facts earlier.

I’ve never felt healthier with plant based & only take a B12 supplement.

It was preachy. Also I would asked any vegetarian/vegan, if we don't eat meat, what happens to the climate, methane, if animals are to carry on producing offspring ad infinitum, with no interference from humans, we'll be overrun. Processed foods in abundance, plant based, and Nutrients lacking, B12 and omega fatty acids, in vegan foods causing concern.
Animal Farm anyone.

You can get vitamin b12 from Vegemite and nutritional yeast.

So true, I never eat processed foods, too many carcinogenics.

Yes, there are many benefits to not eating meat - but not so many if you only eat ultra processed foods!

Thanks for raising awareness for the suffering of animals.

I haven’t eaten meat for years, I was raised a meat eater, growing up I was never comfortable eating a dead animal.

I do eat eggs, only certified organic, because the chicken feed doesn’t include animal by products that the non organic eggs include.

I think it’s great to raise awareness there are many benefits to not eating meat and so many more choices now.

It is clear than some diets require pill supplements to maintain enough iron and other needs. We moved to wild venison and other wild game a few years ago and now eat much less farmed meat than we did. But I think there are a lot of loose ends in the vegan and veg approach. Leather is not easily replaced for its hard wearing qualities - faux leather is a poor substitute in my experience - and plastic shoes generate a lot of waste in production and difficult to process when discarded. Wool is a far better insulator than much artificial material.

Blossoming

As a cancer survivor I get fed up of ill-informed claims that particular foods or diets will reverse or cure cancer. Peach pips, coffee enemas, broccoli - no doubt there’ll be another one along shortly.

I bet you are Blossoming what will they come up with next I have a friend who is in the same position as you.
If we don't eat meat where do we get our vitamin B12 and iron that we need from? I personally don't like offal or pate with liver in them and got awful lectures from the Dieticians at anti-Natal classes.

Nan99

Vitamin B12 is produced by bacteria, not animals or plants. As such, animals, including humans, must obtain it directly or indirectly from bacteria. It can be found in bacteria-laden manure and unsanitized water, though we obviously should not be consuming either of those things.

Thanks for that. Off to have lunch now.😏