Gransnet forums

Food

Supermarket Cartels Treating Customers With Contempt

(111 Posts)
Junoesque Fri 03-Jan-25 05:46:57

Did anyone else notice the distinct shortage/absence of butter in the larger supermarkets just before Christmas? Not for the first time I have noticed this sudden generalized ‘shortage’ just before a price hike! Lo and behold it’s happened again before Christmas butter went from £1.69 to £1.89 just when we thought it couldn’t go any higher came the so called ‘shortage’ and yesterday the price was £1.99 !! Call me Mrs Cynical but it’s my belief that it was deliberately held back in order to facilitate
yet another price hike. I for one am getting sick and tired of supermarkets treating us with such contempt. Of course they’ve got us over a barrel and they know it, we have to feed ourselves and our families and if confronted they will trot out umpteen reasons why these price hikes are unavoidable. However in the words of Judge Judy ‘ Don’t pe* up my leg and tell me it’s raining’ Grrrr. Ok rant over best wishes to one and all for 2025.

theworriedwell Fri 03-Jan-25 11:16:43

I remember making butter with the children at playgroup. They absolutely loved making their own butter and they had it spread on something for their break, can't remember if it was a bun or scone but they were very happy eating their butter.

Happy days.

Nanato3 Fri 03-Jan-25 12:47:15

I don't think many people cook from scratch nowadays. I'm vitamin deficient but it's because I can't
eat the right foods due to health issues.

Indigo8 Fri 03-Jan-25 13:24:35

Having read Chris van Tullikan's book "Ultra-Processed People", I came across a very good example of wanton profiteering as in when food manufacturers apply to have one of their particular food stuffs zero rated for VAT. If successful they don't pass on the saving to the consumer as the retail price is not reduced.

Georgesgran Fri 03-Jan-25 13:27:40

I’m with easy and karma.

I’m not the best cook, but, yesterday, I made a giant fish pie and a similar sized cottage pie with carrots, parsnip and turnip in the mashed potato topping. When cooked, each has cut into 4 servings and been stored in the freezer. I’m sure I’ve got 8 meals for very little expense and not much effort.

Dottydots Fri 03-Jan-25 14:17:42

Well, if food prices go much higher, unfortunately I shall be losing a bit of weight soon..

Graceless Fri 03-Jan-25 15:32:54

The last time I made butter was 70 years ago in primary school

David49 Fri 03-Jan-25 17:06:52

“Cows produce less milk and cream in winter eating silage etc than when they are outside in the warmer months eating grass.”

Not true, cows these days are fed a very controlled balanced diet in winter, fat content is usually at least as high as grazing diet.

Cream and butter prices are controlled by global supply, they are commodities UK Wholesale Butter prices increased over 50% in 2024 hence butter prices higher.

Allira Fri 03-Jan-25 17:33:46

😁
Of course, of course .......

a very controlled balanced diet in winter
Which of course costs more money.
Milk production can decrease in winter.

Cream and butter prices are controlled by global supply

Prices have risen here, decreased in other parts of the world.

mae13 Fri 03-Jan-25 18:23:54

karmalady

The price hike was necessary. Supermarkets are not charities and farmers need to be paid as do the butter makers

Make your own

If farmers need to be paid then why don't the supermarkets pay them instead of their shareholders?

Aveline Fri 03-Jan-25 20:06:21

Then they'd be out of business and their staff out of work.

M0nica Fri 03-Jan-25 20:23:07

Lets knock on the head the idea that food in this country is expensive.

To begin with we spend a smaller and smaller proportion of total income. In 1957 we spent nearly a a third of our income on food, now it is nearer 10%. [www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42735294]].

Looking at prices, we have some of the cheapest food in the world ahdb.org.uk/news/ahdb.org.uk/news/consumer-insight-how-much-money-are-uk-consumers-spending-on-food-since-the-cost-of-living-crisis So to suggest that food is getting expensive is a joke.

For the poor there will always be a problem, but that is an income problem not a price problme. But for the rest of us, perhaps if we spent less on clothes and 'experiences', or whatever our big leisure or home extraavagence is and were prepared t spend a alrger proportion of our income on food. The one item, like housing that directly afects aour health and well-being, we might get better quality food in our shops.

merlotgran Fri 03-Jan-25 20:40:23

Allira

I have made it on occasion.
Once accidentally!

That reminds me of hovering over the children yelling STOP as they ‘helped’ with Sunday lunch by whipping the cream! 😮😩

Allira Fri 03-Jan-25 20:50:05

Yes, it's that critical moment between stiffly whipped cream and butter 😁

Gwyllt Sat 04-Jan-25 08:09:47

MOnica. It’s good to hear someone talking reality about food prices now and years ago
It is also commented on that if basic foods are dressed up the profit is increased

M0nica Sat 04-Jan-25 08:42:48

By the way, whaat is the evidence for a supermarket Cartel? ,

A cartel is a group of independent businesses that agree to limit competition and increase prices to improve profits. They are illegal in this country. Any evidence you have that supermarkets in thiss country have formed a cartel should be reported to the police.

mokryna Sat 04-Jan-25 09:17:56

Thank you MOnica for bringing up the fact food took a third of the home budget in the 50s, For me in the 60s it took a lot of juggling also on low wages.

In my 1964 school Housecraft book we had to plan meals for the week and price it up. For 8ozs butter was 1s 8p.

I do buy milk from the supermarket but I buy the one that says it pays the farmers more, I feel better for doing so but I know there is no guarantee they receive the extra payment.

escaped Sat 04-Jan-25 09:58:09

To begin with we spend a smaller and smaller proportion of total income. In 1957 we spent nearly a a third of our income on food, now it is nearer 10%.
I think statistics in France show it overall at a third currently. It was 36.3% last summer. But then their food is superior quality, I'm not complaining.

Granmarderby10 Sat 04-Jan-25 10:27:34

I have heard young people who travel back to their relations regularly, eg India, Pakistani, Arab nations say that it’s no wonder people don’t eat more fresh fruit as what’s on offer is often inferior and tasteless by comparison.
I do agree with that and don’t bother with those easy-peel all purpose orange fruits any more and opt for more expensive oranges. Pears are often like bullets too same with nectarines and peaches.
But still we are lucky people to get them even if they do take weeks to ripen.

Allira Sat 04-Jan-25 10:30:28

I agree with M0nica's post.

If you look at the map in the link, the UK, Canada and North America spend the lowest proportion of household income on food in the world.

ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-consumer-expenditure-spent-on-food
March 2024

Allira Sat 04-Jan-25 10:33:17

Granmarderby10

I have heard young people who travel back to their relations regularly, eg India, Pakistani, Arab nations say that it’s no wonder people don’t eat more fresh fruit as what’s on offer is often inferior and tasteless by comparison.
I do agree with that and don’t bother with those easy-peel all purpose orange fruits any more and opt for more expensive oranges. Pears are often like bullets too same with nectarines and peaches.
But still we are lucky people to get them even if they do take weeks to ripen.

I've bought more expensive nectarines from a well-known supermarket and they have been variable from juicy and delicious to dreadful.
I've bought them in Lidl too, which were cheaper and they have been consistently good.

Yes, we are lucky and take so much for granted.

Witzend Sat 04-Jan-25 11:43:15

Re comparative food costs, I often find food in France considerably more expensive - was once 😱 at the price of free range chicken breasts, not to mention a €4 cauliflower, and those were both a few years ago now.

But of course housing is usually rather less expensive, particularly in the area of fairly rural Burgundy we usually visit.

Plus a sister who was visiting from across the pond for Christmas, invariably remarks on how much cheaper good quality food (e.g. from M&S) is here. She does OTOH live in Cape Cod, a relatively expensive/wealthy area.

Jaxjacky Sat 04-Jan-25 12:21:07

Granmarderby10

I have heard young people who travel back to their relations regularly, eg India, Pakistani, Arab nations say that it’s no wonder people don’t eat more fresh fruit as what’s on offer is often inferior and tasteless by comparison.
I do agree with that and don’t bother with those easy-peel all purpose orange fruits any more and opt for more expensive oranges. Pears are often like bullets too same with nectarines and peaches.
But still we are lucky people to get them even if they do take weeks to ripen.

If we ate and preserved more seasonable fruit in the UK it wouldn’t rack up the air miles and taste better, the climate in Asia lends itself to a longer season for fresh fruit.
Same thing is true of vegetables.

mokryna Sat 04-Jan-25 13:00:05

Witzend. This morning I bought a chicken breast in the market (not bio) 18.95 kilo. I believe it has increased in price by 2 euros since September.
I shall fry with onions and add mushrooms, cream and mustard, divide into three and freeze two.
Keep in mind, when converting into £s as sterling is very strong at the moment, so it will seem cheap in the UK.

escaped Sat 04-Jan-25 13:36:48

sterling is very strong at the moment
Yes. I pop across to France regularly and am amazed at how the pound has been creeping up and up. We're coming over in 2 weeks' time and an exchange rate of 1.22 is looking hopeful for plenty of shopping!
I guess it's the political uncertainty in France and Germany, and the fiscal constraints at the moment playing a part.

David49 Sat 04-Jan-25 17:38:26

escaped

^sterling is very strong at the moment^
Yes. I pop across to France regularly and am amazed at how the pound has been creeping up and up. We're coming over in 2 weeks' time and an exchange rate of 1.22 is looking hopeful for plenty of shopping!
I guess it's the political uncertainty in France and Germany, and the fiscal constraints at the moment playing a part.

Sterling isn’t strong it’s just the Euro is even weaker, many of our imports are priced in dollars, since the election exchange rate has fallen from 1.34 to 1.24 to dollar.

Our food is cheap by comparison to most other countries many of which add VAT to food prices. What puts the price of the shopping basket up is convenience foods, free range, organic, or other premium choices all of which cost more to produce.