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In the UK malnutrition is mostly found in the over 65s and under 5s www.nhs.uk/conditions/malnutrition/

One in ten over 65s are estimated to be malnourished. One third of older people admitted to hospital are malnourished.

The causes are threefold, 1) existing medical conditions that cause loss of appetite, nausea or difficulty digesting some foods 2) physical problems like disability or dental problems that make food difficult to prepare and eat and 3) social risk, like loneliness, low income, lack of cooking skills. www.malnutritiontaskforce.org.uk/sites/default/files/2021-10/State%20of%20the%20Nation%202020%20F%20revise.pdf

The main reasons for children under 5 being malnourished is because they are born into chaotic and, often, poor homes, with poor parenting practices and abuse.

A question:

Why does butter keep longer than cream? Presumably because it has a higher fat content, but if you used cream which was just on its use by date, would that keep for a while or not?

@NonGrannyMoll has put it extremely well, and I agree totally with her.

I think poverty partly contributes to malnourishment because some of the cheapest food is junk. Also, an awful lot of people don't seem to know the first thing about preparing food from scratch. "Too much effort! I don't have the time!" But it takes half an hour at most to prepare a nourishing daily dinner from scratch. Since the advent of everything easy, ready-made or fast, the skills of cooking and keeping house have gone down the pan. If real Home Economics was taught in schools as a core subject, today's children might stand a chance of growing up with at least a basic knowledge of how to eat well AND cheaply.

Granmarderby10

I just can not get on with cups measurements🫤

Granmardyerby10 I’ve got this. It’s cup sized as you can probably see by the markings.
It has the Kellogg logo on the bottom so is probably quite ancient. I found it while clearing out my in-laws house.

Granmarderby10

I just can not get on with cups measurements🫤

There are plenty of websites that will convert them to metric or lbs & ozs.

I had a go at making butter yesterday. 300mls of double cream weighed 11oz. It made just over 6 oz butter, but I haven't got all the buttermilk out of it so it could be a bit less.
So, it seems to me that you get roughly half the original weight of the cream as butter. The rest must be the buttermilk, which is usable for cooking.

Is it cost effective? Perhaps not but it's interesting to do and worth knowing about. Fun to do with grandchildren.

Allira is right, free range means free range and if you have not seen any 4allweknow that is because chicken farms are not aways visible from the road. However I buy my chickens from a free range chicken farm and I can see the chickens all digging around in the large grass area that surrounds their shed. I also know of several other free range farms in my area, but I live in a rural area and have lived here nearly 30 years.

Free range means that hens have access to outside for a part of the day.
Obviously, when bird flu was around, this was not possible.

Barn reared should be labelled as such.

I fancy having a go at making butter now that Sago has revealed the secrets. As for free-range chicken, has anyone actually seen thousands free range chickens running about in UK?
I was informed quite some time ago that free range is basically the chickens now have some room to move about in the massive sheds whereas before they were penned in to small spaces. Organic is the same for living conditions but are likely to be fed organic material hence more expensive.

knspol

I did notice the lack of unsalted butter but there seemed to be plenty of salted around.
Did not know butter was so easy to make shame I sent my food mixer to the charity shop recently!

There was some unsalted butter here but no salted.

I just can not get on with cups measurements🫤

Sago

MaizieD

How much cream do you need for 8oz butter, Sago?

Around 300ml carton will make appx 8oz.
I use half a teaspoon of crushed rock salt per 300ml.

300ml of cream will never make 8 oz (roughly 225g) of butter. Calculate between one third to max one half i.e. 2 cups of heavy cream to yield approximately 1 cup of butter.

Butter has also been in shortage here in Germany. The prices as high or even higher as in the UK.

I did notice the lack of unsalted butter but there seemed to be plenty of salted around.
Did not know butter was so easy to make shame I sent my food mixer to the charity shop recently!

madeleine45 I am with you all the way. If we are to live full and healthy lives then the most important thing we need to do is eat as well as we can.

In 1950 we spend a third of our income on food, now it is about 10%. All but the poorest can adjust their budgets so that they spend more on food and less on clothes, for example. I am often astonished to find the amount of clothes even members of my own family have. Even my 17 year old granddaughter, dependent on parents for pocket money plus a small job, seems to spend a fortune on clothes and make-up.

Our nearest farmers market is over 10 miles away.
Sainsbury’s & Aldi … two floors down in the lift.

DH put a TV Times in the shopping trolley before Christmas and I asked the till operator to price it first - it was £5.95 I think
So it went back n the rack.

Galton

Another thing with Tesco on line shopping - no TV and Radio Times or the like.

I find Tesco online shopping very restricted. Just had to do a top up shop at Lidl

Well, if we had a market
Or a fruit and veg shop
🤔

I do try to get to a farm shop sometimes but it is more expensive to shop there.

madeleine45 👏
We are on the same page.

Another thing with Tesco on line shopping - no TV and Radio Times or the like.

Strange that Morrisons always had plenty of butter but Tesco's unsalted forget it for weeks. Same as you can only have on one week so many onions.

i am a widow and live alone. Make most of my meals from scratch, so I know what is in them and a lot cheaper too. But my main thing is I encourage people to support our local open air market and the independant chemists. I do not want 6 apples of one kind. On the market I can get one of every kind or whatever mix I like. They know me on the market and if something that I particularly like comes in they will often say "Oh got some comice pears in today" I get cash out of the machine inside the bank, then know precisely how much I have spent, the market people are glad of the cash, and in any case if you are up in swaledale no signal so cant use a card! I also use the independant chemist, rather than the supermarket chemist. Again , even if y ou pay a little more , they get to know you and give yo good service. If you get it all at the supermarkets the individuals will be put out of business and the supermarkets will have you by the short qnd curlies!! Use it or lose it.So whilst you might pay a little more per pound for something your bill is often no more than in the supermarket as you are not tempted by other things. You go to the vegetable stall or the fish stoal and dont get drawn into buying some new pants or a magazine. keep the community going and you will know more people be treated like an individual and be given good service.

I noticed the butter shortage and will willingly have a go at making my own.

I didn't see any shortages of butter

karmalady

eazybee

I am not sure that vitamin deficiencies come from poverty; more from instant processed meals I would think. I followed a middle-aged couple round Aldi's yesterday and their trolley was stacked high with instant meals, very little fresh food.
I don't know their circumstances and they may well have been stocking up for someone unable to cook, and absolutelynot my business, but with reasonably pr iced fresh meat and vegetables in abundance it seemed an unhealthy and expensive way of living.

I completely agree. Very nourishing meals are easily and cheaply prepared from basic ingredients, without all the ultraprocessed rubbish. Trouble is that people in general have become lazy and then they moan when `edibles` are not handed out at charity prices

Time to get some cookbooks from the library junoesque

This is well worth a read -

www.amazon.co.uk/Ultra-Processed-People-Stuff-That-Isnt/dp/1529900050/ref=asc_df_1529900050?hvlocphy=1006645&gad_source=1&psc=1&psc=1&linkCode=df0&hvptwo=&mcid=f0804b99ce1f35c39b54bafc3544a604&hvnetw=g&hvadid=697181752995&hvpone=&hvlocint=&th=1&hvpos=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvqmt=&tag=gransnetforum-21&hvtargid=pla-1677304728180&hvrand=9403629525580650370

I bought mine from eBay for under a fiver. It gives you a great deal of food for thought (excuse pun)!