Basic food hygiene?

butterandjam

NotSpaghetti

I am not a glove fan BTW but I note that my mother-in-law's part time carer puts them on after washing her hands to prepare snacks for my mother-in-law - even if she's just putting a biscuit on a plate.

Extra caution, possibly because carers also handle bodies, wee, poo, dressings etc.

That is what I would like.

Extra caution!

I workd in a school kitchen for many years. Regularly inspected by Environmental Health. We were never required to wear gloves. Frequent hand washing and proper training in food preparation, cross contamination etc. Cross contamination can happen with gloves just as easily as skin.

Someone once told me that gloves shouldn't be used in a kitchen when using knives because knives can take tiny nicks out of the gloves that can then end up in the food. Chopping a finger end off a glove would probably be seen, but tiny rubber fragments probably wouldn't.

Wearing gloves does not guarantee complete hygiene unless tge glives are used immediately prior to whatever is to be touched. How can you know if the glove wearer hasn't say, touched their head, a door/drawer handle indeed anything. Surfeins wear gloves but once applied they go directly to "place of business" wuth no contact. Gloves are no guarantee.

I know a couple of food places where the staff wear gloves, on in particular a delicatessen they slice cooked meats and handle other produce before wrapping then use the cash register taking money and giving change,defeats the object of wearing gloves.

I enjoy watching Saturday Morning Kitchen most weekends but I’m often surprised at the lack of hand hygiene from top chefs, many of them Michelin star restaurant owners.

This morning Theo Randall cooked veal chops. He prepared the raw chops on a board using his bare hands. Removed the chops from the pan and sliced and preened them with his unwashed hands which had been massaging raw meat a few mins earlier. Not once during the entire process did he wash his hands. He did wipe them in a tea towel which he then tossed onto the worktop while the chops were cooking 🤢

The food was then served up to the celebrity guests.

My grandson has had a part time job cooking chips and making hamburgers at maccas for years. They don’t have to wear gloves here.They do have particular clothes and the food is cooked fresh, they have to throw things away after a fairly short time. Never heard of anyone getting sick through that company, they are fussy. Ghastly food, though !

Grannynannywanny

I enjoy watching Saturday Morning Kitchen most weekends but I’m often surprised at the lack of hand hygiene from top chefs, many of them Michelin star restaurant owners.

This morning Theo Randall cooked veal chops. He prepared the raw chops on a board using his bare hands. Removed the chops from the pan and sliced and preened them with his unwashed hands which had been massaging raw meat a few mins earlier. Not once during the entire process did he wash his hands. He did wipe them in a tea towel which he then tossed onto the worktop while the chops were cooking 🤢

The food was then served up to the celebrity guests.

Gross.

I always imagine there is some "!cutting and pasting" of clips.
But even so.

This programme is live and they’re cooking in real time fancythat. It makes me wonder what goes on behind the scenes in their restaurant kitchens if they behave like that on tv.

Even when he was seasoning the raw meat he took pinches of salt from the little bowl with his unwashed hands to massage the chops prior to cooking. When they were cooked the same unwashed hands went in to to same container of salt to season the cooked mash before serving.

Sago

I was in a queue waiting for an ice cream, the server wore gloves, she served a customer his ice cream, popped a flake on with her gloved hand, she then took a bank note from him and handed him the change, all with gloves on.

I didn’t have an ice cream.

I remember in the butchers you would go to the meat counter for your order then go to a separate counter to pay. No money was handled by the butcher.

Lucky to find a butcher now

same unwashed hands went in to to same container of salt to season the cooked mash before serving.

Well, that's OK, then. Salt creates an environment that bacteria cannot live in.

I do agree though, that the process described in your post, Grannynannywanny is gross when it comes to handling cooked meat after raw meat without washing hands in between.

Unless they change the gloves constantly , I can't see how that would make food preparation any more hygienic than frequent hand washing - less so if anything.

No judgement from me about having the occasional McD's either!

mabon2

Don't go to Mac Donalds,easy peasy.

I find stores where food is on display for people to select and bag themselves more off putting, Sainsburys and M and S for example. The food items such as bread and pastries are on a level where numerous people can get close to them, touch them and even cough over them. I avoid them like the plague as I do buffets.

When I was working in Asda about 30 years ago I queried the fact that the staff preparing the pizza toppings didn't wear gloves. I was told that they had found that people who didn't wear gloves washed much more often. People wearing gloves seemed to take it for granted that the gloves were hygienic even if they didn't wash.

Grannynannywanny

I enjoy watching Saturday Morning Kitchen most weekends but I’m often surprised at the lack of hand hygiene from top chefs, many of them Michelin star restaurant owners.

This morning Theo Randall cooked veal chops. He prepared the raw chops on a board using his bare hands. Removed the chops from the pan and sliced and preened them with his unwashed hands which had been massaging raw meat a few mins earlier. Not once during the entire process did he wash his hands. He did wipe them in a tea towel which he then tossed onto the worktop while the chops were cooking 🤢

The food was then served up to the celebrity guests.

Anything you see on a TV program like that, has been edited. It probably took all day to film (NOT on Saturday) then it's edited down to the length of the program slot.

Audiences don't see the bits that were edited out; the dropped food, retakes, mistakes, and boring bits like handwashing.

TanaMa - Tom on the GBBO is driving me nuts running his hands through his hair and then touching the food.

butterandjam the programme is broadcast live with the cooking done in real time.

I wrongly called the programme Saturday Morning Kitchen in my earlier post . It’s actually called Saturday Kitchen Live.

I would never use a burger/hot dog stall on the roadside or at a car boot sale. They just nip over a hedge or behind a tree as they have no toilets and get back in their vans wiping their hands down their aprons! 🤮🤮🤮

aggie

Gloves are no guarantee, frequent hand washing is the way to go,

And I’d like to see masks worn.

fancythat

NotSpaghetti

Are you safer if the cook/food handler wears gloves?
www.salon.com/2010/10/13/food_handler_glove_laws/

Thanks for the link, but I dont read something that does not allow me to reject cookies.

I would certainly feel safer if someone wore gloves.
Personally.

A well know chef once said that if you visited the kitchen of even the poshest restaurant you would never eat out again. But are our own kitchens so perfect?

Why not go the whole hog and introduce mandatory full hazard suits for all food workers from factory to kitchen/canteen😹

A chef once said to me when you eat out only eat something that has been heated at a high temperature and never eat salad. He had seen the lack of hygiene in so many kitchens.

Gloves ate just as likely to be as unhygenic as hands.
Surely once you have picked something up something like meat in your gloved hands you will have contaminated the gloves, and so you should then wash the gloves before you touch anything else.
So it makes no difference.
Just keep washing your hands.

Gloves ate just as likely to be as unhygenic as hands.
I've never seen gloves or hands on the menu! Sorry! 🍽 🧤 ✋️

I don’t think gloves are that safe for food handling. You could have your gloves on touch raw meat, forget to take gloves off and then handle cooked meat. The best way is plenty of hand washing with no wearing of rings or perfume and education.