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Depression, anxiety, feelings of inadequacy

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Rowantree Sat 21-Dec-13 11:42:19

Hi again to all. Have posted on other threads but there doesn't seem to be anything specific to people with ongoing mental health probs. I was reassured by some other postings on other (some related) topics by some really lovely Gransnet members, but am again really struggling with feeling inadequate, inferior and low.
Each time a family member or friend tells me about their social calendar or social life,or what their adult children are doing, I mentally compare my own life to theirs and dread other people telling me about (for instance) dinner parties they've had, parties they're invited to etc. I get a sense of relief when someone says they aren't doing much over Christmas and New Year. I have to add that as I've said previously I KNOW I have much to be thankful for - supportive and long-suffering OH, a home, loving and independent daughters, some family still living, a few friends we see now and then, etc - it's just that my wayward brain automatically compares me and my life to that of others, whether friends or family, and I am so ashamed and disgusted with myself for not feeling I can share in the happiness or good news they tell me about. I hide it very well, make the right noises, etc, but inside I feel anxious, deflated, inadequate and inferior - and I know it makes no logical sense at all. Why should it matter if Friend A or Family Member B has had friends to dinner or has been invited out? It doesn't affect me -and yet it feels as if it DOES - it makes me feel either left out or inadequate for not having such a hugely active social life. I imagine that the lives of others must be infinitely superior to mine (and yet logically I know that isn't so).
I then ruminate, brood, feel miserable and fail to appreciate what I DO have. I don't WANT to be like this. I am prey to other anxiety along the way too. I am angry with myself - I know it's not a good way to live. Short of a bullet to the brain or a frontal lobotomy (both rather messy) I don't know of ways to cope with this. I do struggle with anxiety and depression anyway and these repetitive, negative thought patterns are probably a part of that. I've struggled for years to combat them, to no avail. I feel I am the only person feeling like this and that makes me feel even worse. I don't expect any magic wands - at this stage of my life, the wands are rather worn out and battered - but I am grateful for the space to vent, express how I feel without being judged, and maybe there is someone else on Gransnet who might feel similarly (though I guess it's doubtful as I feel such a monster for having these thoughts and feelings at all).

BlueBelle Fri 03-Jan-14 11:32:40

Thank you Grindos I now wish I hadn't posted as it feels that I've posted out of turn but thanks for understanding I m sorry Rowentree I didn't mean to jump in I just seemed to feel similar to your feelings and felt I wanted to say something but probably did it all wrong

soop Fri 03-Jan-14 10:52:44

Well said, Iam64 flowers

Grindos Thu 02-Jan-14 21:41:27

How awful for you, Bluebelle, to lose both your parents in the same year. Double shock and double grief. I admire you for nursing them and being with them as they died. You must have been a great comfort to them. When my mum was dying, I'd drive over to their house, and have to sit in the car at the end of the road to get up the courage to go in the house. I'd stay with her while Dad went shopping, but I was so scared she'd die while he was out, and it would be my fault. My sisters were much better nurses than me, but I took on the role of caterer, and cooked for them. My dad is still alive at 94, and I'm now scared of him dying. I dread the thought of finding him, or of him dying when I'm there alone with him.
I also go out but have to scurry back to my burrow, then roam around the house wondering what to do. I make plans to go somewhere, then as the time gets nearer, wish I wasn't going. BUT, I often enjoy myself once I get there, even though I also can't wait for it to be over so I can go home. It's as though I can't allow myself to have fun. If there's a film I really want to see, I go by myself so I can leave if I want to.

BlueBelle Thu 02-Jan-14 19:58:44

Just read some of this thread and it has connected, hoping you'll let me join in. I've never been a very confident outgoing person although I'm great at acting the part so no one would ever say that about me. I came out a lot during my 30's 40's even 50's but now in my 60's I m going back like a snail retreating into its shell and hating everything about me and my life. Last year, no sorry. 2012 my job dwindled down to nearly nothing, a huge shock and disappointment a couple of months later my darling Dad became a little weak and after a doctor's check up was told he had inoperable stomach cancer it became aggressive immediately and he was so ill so quickly I nursed him for three weeks and then he died with me beside him sitting in such shock I can't even remember if I held him or not. Within 6 months my Mum collapsed and I spent 24 hours holding her hand as she died I've gone into a state where I only feel 'right' in my own home and although I go out, do one day a week at work, look after the grandkids (most people would think I m doing fine)I can't wait to creep into my comfort zone. If I go out for something nice I m thinking about getting home. I can't bear weddings christenings and other events yet I feel so jealous of people enjoying themselves at them, NY eve a nightmare went to bed to lick my wounds I am full of negativity and even think a lot about my own death. I hate how I've become, I want to join something but make every excuse under the sun not to do so then moan to myself how fed up I am I need someone with a big stick of dynamite I can't remember when I was last happy I live on my own probably couldn't live with anybody now I have the radio on all night just to drown out my own thoughts
I m sorry if I've moaned on too much my finger has hovered over whether to post or not but no one knows me and I can run away if necessary Thanks for listening x

Iam64 Thu 02-Jan-14 19:56:26

Sel, I'm sorry to have posted earlier without expressing my feelings on reading your news. I'm so sorry to hear this, and send love and very best wishes to you all

Iam64 Thu 02-Jan-14 19:16:35

Rowantree I've only just read through this thread. thanks for the OP, and for all the interesting, reflective posts you have made. It's a really life affirming thread, just what we all need as the new year begins. Rowan, I suspect many of us have found our anxieties and low mood feelings harder to manage over this festive period. It's such an emotional roller coaster time of year.
All the ideas about letting your creative side free are brilliant. Good luck to you, and all the other posters. x

gettingonabit Thu 02-Jan-14 18:54:33

Apologies if this has been suggested already, but I cannot recommend choirs highly enough. There's bound to be one near you somewhere.

Rowantree Wed 01-Jan-14 18:52:40

NUttynana - veggie carving made me laugh too! I'm wondering...WHY would anyone carve a vegetable? Unless it's to make potato printing stamps?

If I wasn't festering two days a week in therapy, I'd be able to go to some more u3a groups. A few years back I tried Philosophy, Russian for Beginners and Gardening - the latter wasn't much cop as none of the members wanted to do anything practical but there is another branch I could try... if it weren't for this darned therapy thing (another post, another story). I am re-joining my Pilates class this term, though I'm by far the fattest there which is embarrassing....and I have a small group of textile-arty ladies who come to my place every few weeks to share projects and ideas. I also did a felting course a year ago in London - sadly too far to continue it long term.

I will put out feelers to out local WI once I've plucked up some courage - sounds as if it could be worth a try, but I guess they vary a lot. It will be on my list of things to try this year smile

Anyone else out there into textile art/craft?

Grannyknot Wed 01-Jan-14 14:51:34

that should be "I say ..."

Grannyknot Wed 01-Jan-14 14:50:56

nuttynana the 'vegetable carving' made me LOL. HNY to you too, I saw come on 2014, let's see what you've got. smile

nuttynana Wed 01-Jan-14 14:48:06

As regards the W.I I thought about joining a few years ago because I thought they would be into crafts etc and wanted to learn to crochet etc . I found details of a group not to far away but someone told me I wouldn't like it because they were all so old! Well I didn't get round to going because I am quiet shy and any excuse not to make the effort!
Anyway a couple of years ago I found a "new modern style" W.I. had started up not too far away. I found the opposite when I eventually plucked up courage to go along. Most are younger than me but a few are older and it makes no difference at all. We have talks, sometimes an activity, no traditional crafts. To be honest sometimes I really do not feel like going out and don't fancy , for example "vegetable carving" but it is always great to get out , of the house and myself so to speak . We always have fun and a laugh. We only have the once a month meeting unlike some W.I 'S with sub groups for all sorts of things . Likewise with ramblers . I tried one group and they were very unfriendly and obviously didn't want any new members but I found this other one where everyone is lovely. No great friendships made , I do not seem good at that, but stops me feeling so lonely or sitting at home wallowing in depression! I suppose some would say it is not the right solution or dealing with the main problem but keep busy, physically active, and interact with people , do something creative ,it really does help.

Here's to a happy New Year to all GransNet and may we all have the strength to deal with whatever life brings and the wisdom to appreciate what we really have.

Gagagran Wed 01-Jan-14 13:08:16

Rowantree Happy New Year to you! I hope you feel a bit better this morning?

You asked about WI and I can heartily recommend it. I joined when I retired 10 years ago and made some good pals and had some great fun in the village institute I joined. When we moved to the south coast in 2012 the first thing I did was join the local WI and it is every bit as good as my previous one with kindred spirits of all ages. Our oldest member celebrated her 100th birthday at the Christmas bash but most of us are 50s, 60s and rising.

A wise friend once said to me that the world won't beat a path to your door - you have to go out and meet it half way. That is so true but it's also so worth the effort. If you google WI in your area it will give you details of the various institutes, when they meet and who to contact as a first step. I hope you give it a try and that you find a new lease of life, friendship and fun as I did. flowers

jinglbellrocks Wed 01-Jan-14 11:55:43

I do drink it to get to sleep. I do it holding my nose. grin

Rowantree Wed 01-Jan-14 01:44:10

jinglebellrocks: So, you're no fan of chamomile, huh? Good - all the more for me :-p

Happy New Year to all.

Dare I admit to feeling more than just a little bit sad? I never like New Year. Everyone seems to think we should feel jolly and excited about it, and be out painting the town purple.

I got a text from an old friend telling me she was at a Black Tie Do with her New Man. I was tempted to reply that I was at a No -Tie Do with my Old Man, but I decided I couldn't be bothered to reply....

I'm off to bed before I start getting any more morose!

Bellasnana Tue 31-Dec-13 18:47:35

Rowantree I saw the 'gratitude jar' idea on fb too and thought it was such a good idea I went and bought a jar! Whether or not I will keep it up is another matter, but I will give it a go. Wishing you and your family a Happy New Year. flowers

jinglbellrocks Tue 31-Dec-13 18:19:28

Chamomile tastes like poison! grin

Rowantree Tue 31-Dec-13 15:26:43

Nuttynana, I am so sorry you've lost close friends. That must make you feel very alone at times. I dread being alone, which is why it's one of my obsessive anxieties - when I listen to friends/family talking about parties they've thrown or been invited to, I feel like the two-year-old no one invites to their house for tea (ie jealous, sulky, resentful, sad, isolated). However, I DO have a few close friends and I treasure them, but their lives are busy and actually difficult - one has 8 adult children, some still living with her, plus a live-in granddaughter and an OH who is pretty useless - even more so since he had a stroke 5 years back. She has her proverbial cross, I have mine (my own head). We support each other but I am careful not to be needy and to offer support when I can. I don't find it easy to make friends, so the few close ones I do have, I am very grateful for - and it's one of the main things stopping us moving out of the area.
Glad you've joined Ramblers (more energetic than I am!) and WI. I did wonder about WI - anyone recommend? Locally we have WI and TG but I don't know what to expect and fear everyone will be a few decades older than I am (I'm 60).
Jinglebellrocks, you leave me my nice chamomile, ya hear? I like to kid myself it helps with the anxiety and depression, so I drink plenty of it. Worst case scenario, it won't do me any harm! And I do drink 'real' tea and coffee as well. I'm no purist...;) Interesting to hear about your two daughters though. I'd not say things have fallen into the lap of DD2: she was born with a rare syndrome ( involving unilateral lobster-claw syndrome of one hand and foot, blindness in one eye, lots of other nasty stuff too like painful cysts) and has had a life of hospitals, amputation, other major surgery, mental health problems.
It was DD1 who seemed to have it going on in her childhood and teens: sailed through exams, had friends, had boyfriends, did really well in her degree, got her PhD...and then her relationship broke up a year ago, so she is single, and at 32 is still trying to establish herself in her chosen fortes (lecturing and music teaching). I am full of admiration for her: she has gone for what inspired and excited her, unlike me - but she has very little money and it must be galling to see other friends in places where she would love to be. And I know she would dearly, dearly love to have a family.
DD2 courageously turned her life round from the hell it was at times, was very determined and driven - got her MA, and now works as a freelance journalist (as well as having other strings to her bow) and has a partner and baby. I just wish DD1 the same: a loving life-partner and family of her own. But as parents, we all know that it might or might not happen for our daughters/sons!

What about opening a Matchmakers site here on Gransnet for our unattached children? Ok, don't titter - I jest, but sometimes I find myself wishing it was that simple!
Soop - all right already, got the book and am writing sporadically, but in all honestly it doesn't make entertaining reading! It reads more like the witterings of an angst-ridden teenager at times. But I will persevere. I alsa rather like the idea of the Glad/Gratitude Jar - saw the idea on the dreaded facebook! You take a large lidded jar and every time something good happens, or you have a happy moment, or feel good about something, you write it down on a little scrap of paper and put it into the jar. Then at the end of the year, you get everything out and read about the good things that happened that year. It's a very simple idea, but one which would need sticking with (and I'm not good at keeping things going). Equally you could make a Misery Jar at the same time and see which jar is fuller at the end...but I must say I do like the sound of the Gratitude Jar...

Must get on with sorting and cleaning - have friends coming later. We've known them years but I've built them up into people I'm in awe of, so I am always comparing myself to them, unfavourably - 'they're always so confident/happy/at ease with each other/sorted with their lives'...whereas I feel gauche, stupid, fat, boring and wimpish in comparison and I always think it show, however tightly I fix my mask. So I am actually anxious about something most people would look forward to. D'ohhhhhh....

I hope everyone's NYE goes well and I wish you all peace of mind, comfort and lots of love.

Grindos Tue 31-Dec-13 15:23:40

Rowantree, I absolutely agree with Soop and Nuttynana. You've already written some powerful, interesting, emotive stuff on this thread, and I reckon there's lots more in your clever, creative (maybe slightly bored?) mind that is straining at the leash to be expressed.
I also have 2 daughters. I love them both equally, but one is more caring to me than the other.
Another thought, how about seeing if a neighbour would like to do some textile art with you? It might be more fun than alone, and you might make a new friend.

soop Tue 31-Dec-13 15:08:06

well said, jings

jinglbellrocks Tue 31-Dec-13 13:07:44

I used to cry when she went back to uni. Well, I did with all of them. You can't escape the fact that we need our kids.

jinglbellrocks Tue 31-Dec-13 13:01:40

Rowantree substitute that chamomile stuff drink with some real tea.

Your daughters sound a lot like my two. Things fall into the lap of the older one whilst the younger has a heavy load. (she is a teacher too) She has never met Mr Right and refuses to accept anything less. I worry about her. It seems so unfair. She is a sweet person.

soop Tue 31-Dec-13 12:37:39

nuttynana sunshine

nuttynana Tue 31-Dec-13 12:33:39

Rowantree,

Darling girl, so much of what you say resonates with me. You do NOT have to convince me of how hard you try. Like you I do all the things that should help .
I hope that I do not offend but I think our problems may stem from the same thing . Once seemingly clever, capable , competent and succesful we suddenly find ourselves cast adrift . We are used to getting things sorted, we are winners who suddenly feel like losers. When I was made redundant from my "high staus" job I too felt betrayed.
Of course I know that the important things in life are family and friends, the beauty of nature , the kindness in the world but although I now do a part time job which I love I do not have the sane purpose in life.

Although it sounds strange I have only recently realised that I have no close friends to whom I could confide. My husband is wonderfully patient and supportive but, well, talking about emotions is not his thing!
He works hard still and I find myself thinking at times like you. I love to walk in the countryside but I think "another walk on my own" "another trip to an "NATIONAL TRUST " WHAT'S THE BLOODY POINT!
I came to realise that if my life was filled with more people I would feel better. No family, have lost 5 closest friend over the last 2 years (am only 61) . See myself beeing like my Mum sitting and waiting for family visits )but she is 87).

Sorry for taking over with my problems but you DO NOT come across as whinging , complaining ,boring depressive. You are an articulate and caring person . Some of us know just how much strength of character it takes to get through the bad days --depression is not for wimps. Keep posting whnever you need.
By the way everyone, I have joined W.I and Ramblers but each only once a month round here.

soop Tue 31-Dec-13 11:19:52

Rowantree...get that posh/pretty writing pad out. You need to write. I love you sassy sense of humour. You could have the winning formula for a humorous "self-help" book locked away in that clever mind of yours. If so...the world is your oyster. sunshine

Icyalittle Mon 30-Dec-13 22:05:05

Rowantree I hate the thought of how much you are missing your daughter. Any chance of at least a regular Skype or Face Time call, if she is too busy for actual visits?