Ebola

Really as grown ups we should try harder to be prepared for different responses, views and ideas. Hard to read them but that is why se are kn here isn't it? ? [Hmm]

But it does happen with regularity on GN. I was actually told to 'butt out' recently when I dared to challenge someone's view

Holly you are fortunate to have found a way not to 'take on the world's worries'. I am not saying I wallow in misery but I do sometimes have sleepless nights thinking about issues have different ways of coping. Sometimes, like Terra I share worries on a forum. It sometimes helps to see what others think and feel and often, as JaneA has done good factual info is passed on. I do not consider that I would be whipping up panic. The media seem to do that admirably. Like many others I also get as involved as much as I can with different organisation & charities so I can do something practical as that makes me feel as if I am contributing in a small way to a solution.
None of us really know each others personal circumstances of why a particular situation may be more worrying to one GN rather than another. I am reassured by links and posts on here that whilst the dreadful Ebola virus may take time to get under control in some African countries it would be better managed in UK because of systems already in place.
I did not read TF posts as anything other than genuine concern.

spoke too soon...

HollyDaze, I don't think people are deliberately not responding to your posts - GN just isn't that busy at the moment. I always appreciate reading your views.

Quite so Jess. What is the point of a forum if members are advised not to post? Ridiculous.

We're not here to make one particular poster or any one else happy!

If anyone decides to post on a forum they need to accept that:

Some may disagree
Some may irritate
Some may post rubbish
And some may post excellent information or ideas that may make you change your mind.

If you're willing to listen, that is.

Hollydaze if you don't like discussing miserable subjects WTF re you doing on a thread like this?
If you are not wanting to worry about people it does seem odd to be hanging around here just picking at other posters.
Specially if you don't want people responding to your posts - unless you happen to like the way they respond.

Too many simples, sorry!

Keep posting Terra. Whether I agree or disagree I'm happy to read all posts. Actually though I laughed at the flow chart too I see what you mean and it was very over simplified simply to raise a laugh.

Why in the name of the wee man should I be required to stop posting? And exactly who would be happier (us all)? Do I get the feeling of a majority decision ? I quoted medical facts regarding the disease it does have a long ( 31 day) incubation period, at the time of writing it is 90% fatal. I am not whipping up any sort of unwarranted concern. I certainly have imposed no restrictions on who may post ( as you seem to be doing!) I still say I asked a legitimate question and if your answer is "No" fair enough. So why all this antagonism?

Of course there's a risk of this disease spreading. Early symptoms include a fever, sore throat, muscle pains, and headaches. I've had these symptoms myself in the past. And therein lies the problem.

No-one is beating you over the head with anything Terrafirma - you may not like my answers but they are the ones I am giving whether you like it or not.

Your thread title doesn't state that it can only be contributed to by those who agree with you - if you had made that clear, then I wouldn't have posted; as you didn't, I did post.

I didn't get hold of the wrong end of the stick either.

This is not "spreading misery" but you said:

Should we be worried about Ebola? When I first heard about it , it seemed a long way away but now there is a case of someone who was able to travel across 3 countries by international airlines before dying in Nigeria. As a disease it is 90% fatal and has a long incubation period - up to 21 days. With the increased ease of international and intercontinental travel - is there a real risk of it reaching Europe and the UK?

Sounds to me like you're trying to whip up a fair bit of concern in that OP and no matter how many times other FMs have stated facts, you still want to worry about it and blame ME because of my posts!

I suggest you do what others do and cease responding to my posts - I think it makes us all a lot happier that way.

Oh lay off hollydaze I asked a legitimate question about the effect of intercontinental travel on a disease which up till now most of us had only ever heatd of thousands of miles away in a Third World country.Far from being "media hype" the events of the last few days have shown that there is a terrifying epidemic but at least in the UK, Europe and the US strategies are in force for quaranting suspected cadrs and money is being poured into finding a possible cure. This is not "spreading misery" but if you would prefer me to restrict my comments to fluffy kittens or cutesy anecdotes then good luck to you. Just lay off getting the wrong end of the stick and then proceeding to beat ME over the head with it.

Terrafirma1

HollyDaze - of course, why should you worry about " the world snd his wife"? Or indeed his children being bombed in Gaza, or dying in Syria or starving in any other humanitarian tragedy or anything - leave it to the politicians ( who votes them into office? Oh yes, we do) and the charities( who funds them? Oh yes, people who do care). I agree that merely shaking one's head in despair doesn't do much, but there are ways to help or show you care. And a head shaken in despair is still better thsn one stuck firmly in the sand.

All your post has highlighted is exactly what I have said: it is people who are in a position to do something about it and that doesn't include the average person in the street other than donating money - then we would have to look at how much they have donated to see the extent of their concern. How many, for example, would sell their cars and donate the entire proceeds to fight this disease or help those affected by it? Remortgage the house? Cancel a holiday or two? I think there will be very few who would go to those extremes.

Don't assume that my head is stuck in the sand either - you know nothing about me or what I do, what I have done or what I will do. Just because I do not feel the need to exchange misery on a forum doesn't mean that I haven't helped those who need it. I just don't take on the world's worries; if that's your thing though, feel free to continue.

OK

I interpreted it as a criticism of the media hype and misinformation and certainly didn't intend it as a personal criticism of you or anyone else TF

I think it was just a joke.

Our systems for dealing with possible Ebola should be sufficient - let us hope so. Not so the poor souls in those parts of Africa where infection control and education are inadequate.

I just felt the flowchart (while yes, funny!) was telling me or whoever to shut up about Ebola as were comments by others dismissing it as "media hype" while as you said, my initial question was that with increased ease of travel between e.g. Sierra Leone/Nigeria/even Monrovia and Europe or the USA , should we be sitting up and taking notice and not merely treating it as an African problem.

The flow chart was supposed to be funny TF .

But being serious, you asked if we should be concerned about Ebola - yes of course we should, it is a tragedy for the affected people and countries of West Africa.

You then asked if there was a real risk of it reaching Europe and the UK. Yes there's a risk of an infected person arriving here, but it's very unlikely we would suffer an epidemic because of the systems we have in place regarding quarantine and cross-infection control.

I don't understand what you mean about not being allowed not being allowed to ask a question without direct first-hand experience. You asked the question, I and several others answered it - how is it narrowing the conversation?

Oh dear janeainsworth that's me put in my place isn't it? Does that mean ypu're not allowed to have an opinion or ask a question about anything without direct first hand experience? Narrows the conversation a bit.

Love it Janeainsworth.

And nose irritations too.

Hand-cleaning gels give me skin irritations too.

Just saying.

If anyone has tried washing their already cold hands in cold water in Scotland in winter, they will probably agree with me that a happy medium of warm water is what you want. Cold water causes skin irritations too, the ones called chapping.