Would you consider Botox etc.

Wait til you see Barry Manilow on Strictly next week...now there's a man who's taken it too far!

Nona, get your facts straight before you start shouting at me.

In fact none of my comments have referred to either sex.
As far as I am aware I have not made any comment on how women feel about botox etc..
If you read my very first post I was asking opinion because of what my daughter said.
I am in as good a position as anyone to comment on what I think the visual outcome is, male or female.
Apart from which botox etc is not solely for women, Cliff Richard admits to using it, as I'm sure many other men do.

No, pompa

I always admired Sue Barker, don't tell me she has given in to pressure from the BBC

I know it is used medically Riverwalk but it doesn't mean it's not toxic. Aren't many drugs toxic - in fact don't most of them have a 'lethal dose'? Isn't that what the drug companies spend a lot of time and money researching?

I'm sure I would be very grateful for botox used for a medical condition, as some posters have described, just as I'd be glad of cosmetic surgery if I had a dreadful accident that left me with facial injuries, but we're not talking about that are we? We're talking about a person making a choice to undergo these procedures because they think it would make them look better. I think it's a shame and I don't think it does (make anyone look better - just different).

May I say POMPA , you are a man, so how on earth can you relate to how women feel about Botox ?

Becoming a sausage, metaphorically of course, can help. You may lay yourself wide open to a number of life-threatening conditions by being overweight, but if your face is fat it'll be wrinkle-free!

Botox in its clinical use is neither 'toxic' or 'lethal' nightowl - it's used for a variety of conditions including migraine and spasticity.

Some one commented " making a purse out of a sows ear". That made me think thta I have neverseen a pig with wrinkles. So that poses three choices for less wrinkles :-
Less stress
cover yourself in sh-t daily
become a sausage

I'm sure our stressful lives cannot help and we are just living longer. Face lifts sometimes look ok at first, but as people grow older it starts to look all wrong, or are they just having more and more surgery (I am referring to those in the public eye)

Each to their own suzie, it's just that I can't agree that women (or men for that matter) can't look their best even with a few wrinkles and other signs of ageing. I do care how I look and I do use lotions and potions, but I draw the line at toxins (according to Wikipedia botox is the most acutely lethal toxin known) and surgical procedures, that's all.

I think that there is a spectrum of looking after ourselves. Starting with washing ourselves, then our hair etc.
For a lot of people botox is a step too far.
And it is expensive I presume.

I like your post SUSI, it is frank and to the point!!

I wouldn't say it's just vanity. Anymore than its vanity that makes us wash or get our hair done, clean our shoes or think about what we are wearing. A lot of women in the public eye have work done because otherwise they wouldn't get a job, or would maybe lose the job they had, or maybe they think they would. For many complex reasons we tend to find younger looking people more attractive than older looking people, maybe it's a basic evolutionary behaviour, maybe we should rise above it and say we don't care how we look, but many of us do care about how we look and try to make the best of our diminishing assets. Maybe we should just give up, but why should we? I'm not saying we should all aim to look young, just look the best we can, and for some people that may include face lifts, Botox etc. it's up to them surely.

Never in a million years. Inject poison into my face, or have it cut into just for the sake of vanity? Utter madness. I am very conscious that we older women need to send a message to younger women, if it's not already too late, that its really ok to get older and to look it. I would be ashamed of passing on insecurity about ageing to my daughter. I can but try!

A few years ago I used to treat myself to a monthly pedicure at a local salon. When they started marketing invasive treatments including Botox and fillers I moved my business elsewhere and told the owner the reason why. She sympathised but said she can't fight market forces. I will carry on my one woman protest, for what it's worth (about as much as my one woman protest against Tesco )

I wouldn't have Botox for wrinkles but would have a face-lift.

Botox is also used for haemorrhoids.

kitty that's interesting. As for putting toxins into one's body, I think we knowingly do that all the time anyway: e.g. via skin creams, eating processed food, food that's been wrapped in cling film, etc., etc.

I have a young relation [41 - well young to me],who has had Botox in her forehead and eye area. I can't see an improvement as I don't see that there was anything that needed improving. It does bother me though that she is sending a poor message to her daughter. At least Botox isn't permanent though, as opposed to her tattoos - don't get me started on those!!!

No, I wouldn't have Botox either.My DD has about 30 injections into her head every 4 months [of Botox] and this has to happen for 2 years as part of a treatment for chronic migraine.She says it is very painful to have done, but it does appear to help the migraines [she certainly doesn't need it for wrinkles.]

In my case no matter what you do you 'can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear'. So I won't waste my money.

That's interesting the last thing botox appears to do is relax the face.

DS has botox to 'relax' his arm after his stroke. Anything to do with looks is very shallow compared to that!

Some people want to have botox , that is their business entirely,
IMO.

I've never had a problem with wrinkles, I haven't got many (lots of other problems believe me). I think if something is making you unhappy and you can get it fixed then you should. When my hair fell out I was distraught, never going out, crying all the time etc. I had to do something about it, because my misery was ruining mine and DH's lives. My hair replacement systems costs me quite a bit, but (I hope!) no one would suspect it is not my own hair and I feel happy to be seen out in public once more. Botox and such like is not for me but I wouldn't criticise anyone for having it if it made them feel better about themselves. I also think younger people today have a different view of these things than our generation.

I know a few people who have had Botox. I think it looks unnatural on someone my age not having any facial wrinkles whatsoever. The look I particularly don't like is when the area between the eyebrows has been done. As it can be a deep frown wrinkle, it requires more injections and then becomes very prominent and swollen looking. I call it the 'werewolf' look.

I wouldn't want it injected into my face either. Comfortable in my own skin

pompa, my overbite wasn't in the same league as Freddie's. The problem was it increased during my twenties. Eventually, in my mid 30's, after repeated abscesses at the top of the gum above my front teeth an X-ray found I had an extra tooth in the root of my mouth. I had two teeth removed and braces alongside a veneer on the dead tooth. It changed the shape of my face somehow. I don't regret it, that'd be daft as it's improved my dental health no end. I'm so impressed by current dental work to improve both dental health and the cosmetic look of the teeth. My children all had overbites treated so much more easily, and effectively than mine was 30 years ago. That's progress!

I certainly wouldn't. I have seen people who look frozen and surprised - and seeing Kylie Minogue just after the first course she had, when only the month before I had been thinking what a good role model she was, was a big let-down.

On the other hand, if someone wants to do it, perhaps because they work in a very shallow business, that's fine by me. But I have a friend who has had botox and a strong facial peel and somehow, I feel she has cheated.