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Coca-Cola and sugar

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Anya Tue 13-Oct-15 13:48:52

Has anyone been following the investigation by The Times into the full scale of Coca-Cola’s funding of scientists?

It would appear that this funding has been used to influence research, and the extent of this has come to light after the government rejected a tax on sugar sweetened drinks, despite support from Chief Medical Officer Dame Sally Davies, the British Medical Association and TV chef Jamie Oliver.

The drinks firm is said to have links to more than a dozen British scientists, including government health advisers, who counter claims that its drinks contribute to obesity

Coca-Cola is said to have provided support, sponsorship or research funding to a variety of British organizations including UKActive, the British Nutrition Foundation, the University of Hull, Homerton University Hospital, the National Obesity Forum, the British Dietetic Association, Obesity Week 2013 and the UK Association for the Study of Obesity.

Through its trade organizations, Coca-Cola representatives have met government officials and ministers more than 100 times between 2011 and 2014, according to The Times. Coca-Cola is also said to host a parliamentary dinner.

Faculty of Public Health board member Simon Capewell accused Coca-Cola of trying to mold public opinion.

“Coca-Cola is trying to manipulate not just public opinion but policy and political decisions. Its tactics echo those used by the tobacco and alcohol industries, which have also tried to influence the scientific process by funding apparently independent groups. It’s a conflict of interest that flies in the face of good practice,” he said.

New York-based nutrition researcher Marion Nestle warned scientists should not take money from Coca-Cola.

“In my opinion, no scientist should accept funding from Coca-Cola. It’s totally compromising. Period. End of discussion,” said Nestle, a professor of nutrition, food studies and public health.

Quotes taken from The Times

Anya Fri 06-Nov-15 22:41:15

jingl a bit like a door perhaps? Open, shut, half open, wooden or glass...... moon

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 06-Nov-15 22:24:33

moon

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 06-Nov-15 22:24:14

Is the opposite of a not open mind, a closed mind? Or is there a halfway point - a sort of squinting mind? confused

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 06-Nov-15 22:21:47

"Don't be silly now"

Typical. hmm

Anya Fri 06-Nov-15 22:18:37

Yes I know Elegran

granjura Fri 06-Nov-15 20:11:31

Don't be silly now- YOU wrote the links are boring...

all I am saying is that some of us find the links interesting, but that someone just dissing them and repeating NO again and again is boring. Just be consistent, please.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 06-Nov-15 19:53:31

Why do you always have to start bitching at me? It's always been the same hasn't it? Goes back literally years now.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 06-Nov-15 19:51:46

And you think other people's posts on this thread are not boring? Just mine? Thanks for that. hmm

granjura Fri 06-Nov-15 19:39:48

My post was in response to this:

'Can't be bothered to read all these boring links.' and another post about waste saying just 'rubbish'. Jingl has made her opinion about sugar, carbs and calories so very clear, so many time- now that is boring for some of us, and serves no purpose to just repeat again and again. What is the point? Especially if not interested in reading about any evidence presented?

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 06-Nov-15 19:32:23

Thank you Bags. Couldn't have put it better meself. smile

thatbags Fri 06-Nov-15 19:25:09

Actually, gj, jings' last two posts express her perfectly reasonable opinion very clearly. I'm not sure she needs to learn anything new about sugar.

granjura Fri 06-Nov-15 14:53:28

Jingl- just saying again and again that something is 'rubbish' and that you can't be bothered to read (learn) - is not really an 'opinion'- especially if repeated again and again. What is the point?

Discuss, debate, counter, disagree- all fine by me and all I am sure. To have an opinion, especially an informed one- needs indeed an open mind and agree to read evidence- even if to later counter it.

Otherwise it is just 'rubbish' as you so rightly say. And why is it a 'cheek' to give mine? wink

Elegran Fri 06-Nov-15 14:11:38

Yes, Anya but that has been extended by some posters to include carbohydrates full stop. There is a difference between fast-release carbs and slow-release carbs.

Anya Fri 06-Nov-15 14:07:31

Elegran we're talking specifically about sugar, and sugared drinks in particular, not about carbohydrates in general. And how firms with a vested interest are involved in research.

Anya Fri 06-Nov-15 14:02:36

I never used the phrase 'closed mind' that was your interpretation jingl confused

Elegran Fri 06-Nov-15 12:11:46

It is very interesting. I remember when someone showed that saturated fat was worse for you than unsaturated fat and keen people at once turned away from fat completely as sheer poison. Now it is carbohydrate that is the number one enemy. Next year it will be protein, or perhaps liquids. It seems that everyone is looking for a magic way to lose weight fast by eliminating some rogue element from their diet.

As far as I can see, the worst thing for weight increase is dieting - those who are always on some restrictive diet or other are the ones who put on most and have to go on another one.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 06-Nov-15 12:06:01

You could say that handing out the tiny cans of Coke at Xmas helps to associate it with special occasions, rather than something to be indulged in year round.

And how do you know they do not offer the sugar free version? Which, so long as not drink excessively, is harmless?

Elegran Fri 06-Nov-15 12:03:43

"Closed minds" are what the hearers have when they won't give up their own opinions in favour of what someone wants them to think.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 06-Nov-15 12:02:41

I certainly do not advocate a high intake of sugar by anyone. You are talking to someone who breakfasts on non-sugared wallpaper paste Ready Brek. I just don't see the point of going overboard and becoming obsessive about it. A bit of sugar occasionally will not harm an otherwise healthy individual.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 06-Nov-15 11:57:54

Is not agreeing now to be classed as having a "closed mind"? I would have thought it was the opposite. hmm

Bit pathetic there Anya.

Anya Fri 06-Nov-15 09:04:44

Apparently flat Coke is great if you've had a 'tummy upset' (euphemism for a word I can never spell) hmm

thatbags Fri 06-Nov-15 07:11:34

If it's blatant marketing, and I agree it is, does it matter? We should be teaching our young folk about blatant marketing and how to resist it/combat it.

A bottle of coke was very welcome to me twice in my life: once in Thailand when I'd run out of water, and once in a New York hotel when it's all there was when DH and I needed a rehydrating drink after a loooong flight and delays getting to the hotel. Foul stuff but it has its uses wink.

Anya Fri 06-Nov-15 07:06:10

It's a blatant marketing ploy wrapped up as a kind gesture Eloethan - not a Richard Madeley fan at the best of times I always thought Judy was the brains of that team.

Anya Fri 06-Nov-15 07:04:12

Not so jingl in fact if you kept an open mind you might find you'd learn something.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 06-Nov-15 06:36:30

granjura I will state my views whenever and wherever I wish. I will certainly not ask your opinion Madam.

Bloody cheek.

Let's face it, most of this thread is just going round in circles anyway.