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Cheese is the new poison

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thatbags Sat 04-Feb-17 16:32:57

According to a leading American quack doctor cheese is addictive and it is what is making us fat, not sugar. His name's Neal Barnard and he has written a book called The Cheese Trap: How Breaking a Surprising Addiction Will Help You Lose Weight, Gain Energy, and Get Healthy.

One of the comments after the article I've just read does point out that he's American and that Americans don't understand cheese.

M0nica Sun 05-Feb-17 22:05:02

AS soon as I read this I cut myself a really large slice of cheese. I love cheese, I have been eating it all my life and I am not overweight, I am in good health and have plenty of energy.

In fact if I didn't eat it, my health might be worse because I consume little or no milk (I loathe it) and never touch yoghourt (I loathe that even more than milk) so cheese is my main source of dietary calcium.

Peaseblossom Sun 05-Feb-17 22:04:42

Lona What is a "soft oven bottom"?!

EllenT Sun 05-Feb-17 21:39:36

thatbags - cheese making Mrs Kirkham's grandmother was my grandmother's cousin. Or something like that. My mother always had some Lancashire in the house and I really miss the real thing, doesn't seem to travel well even if bought from a proper cheese shop.

Nanna58 Sun 05-Feb-17 20:18:43

Dessert was Stilton, Manchego, and Brie with red onion marmalade and oatcakes - what the hell do Americans know about cheese , in fact about decent food in general!

thatbags Sun 05-Feb-17 19:55:13

Creamy Mrs Kirkham Lancashire on toast, roses. Hands down. ?

rosesarered Sun 05-Feb-17 19:34:56

A raw sprout! OMG you must be hungry Jalima grin

Jalima Sun 05-Feb-17 19:32:21

Oh damn!
I forgot the cheese and wine and had a very dry sherry and a raw sprout.
it was probably vegan but it's just not the same grin

rosesarered Sun 05-Feb-17 19:30:52

The best cheese for cheese on toast is....
1 Wensleydale
2 mature cheddar
3 double glos with chives

( other views are available) grin

GrandmaMoira Sun 05-Feb-17 19:29:49

I used to eat cheese every day but eat less now so as to help control my weight. However, I'd much rather eat cheese than chocolate or anything else sweet.

GrandmaMoira Sun 05-Feb-17 19:27:10

Lupin - Is your board game Buccaneer? We had that when I was a child and I've never seen or heard of it since. I really liked it, along with Monopoly and Scrabble.

Sheilasue Sun 05-Feb-17 19:02:14

Can't beat a piece of cheese with a chunk of crusty bread and pickle

MeltonMatthew Sun 05-Feb-17 18:57:57

British Cheese is undergoing a renaissance at the moment with many new cheese makers starting up making both pasteurised and raw milk cheeses. I organise an artisan cheese fair and last year we managed to get over 60 cheesemakers to attend – that’s an impressive 300 cheeses between them! The French used to boast that they could eat a different cheese each day, in the British Isles we can now eat cheese from a different cheesemaker every day!

Jalima Sun 05-Feb-17 17:46:06

Having read the above posts and taking note of 1974's theory, I am going to have a small portion of cheese and a glass of wine whilst I am cooking dinner grin

Lewlew Sun 05-Feb-17 17:42:36

There are great cheeses in the US, as someone said you have to buy them from a deli. They do NOT have a lovely whole aisle dedicated to cheeses as they do here or in France or Italy. I really like the selection here.

I lived in NH, next to Vermont who produce masses of wonderful cheeses, so was very spoilt. The Green Bay Packers (Wisconsin) are called the Cheeseheads grin

Last May the Smithsonian Magazine and Bloomber both filed reports of a massive cheese glut!

www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-has-massive-cheese-surplus-180958985/

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-29/u-s-cheese-inventories-soar-to-highest-since-1984

rafichagran Sun 05-Feb-17 17:40:19

I love cheese and although now have to maintain a healthy diet I will eat it sensibly.

1974cookie Sun 05-Feb-17 17:32:49

Yet another thing that is bad for us !!!!!!
Sorry, but I shall continue to enjoy my Colton Basset Stilton cheese on some deliciously crumbly oatcakes.
I have a theory about all these foods etc that you should give up for health reasons.

It is not so much that you live any longer.
It is just that you are so flaming miserable having given up these pleasures in life, that life itself seems dull and positively endless.

nancan Sun 05-Feb-17 17:22:13

Ovenbottom

seadragon Sun 05-Feb-17 16:53:35

My sister was once engaged to a man who hated blue cheese........ I knew it wouldn't last!!

Araabra Sun 05-Feb-17 16:20:49

Americans don't seem to like good wholesome food, do they? Their cheese, breads, puddings are just awful. The cream is thin, eggs and butter are flavorless, and their produce is dodgy. For all that they are plump and don't walk about much.

lefthanded Sun 05-Feb-17 16:12:56

Like granny23 I am cheese-intolerant. No cheese for me. Not ever. Not in any whey, shape or form. ? (Sorry).

Seriously though, one of my cousins suffers from the same problem but she has discovered that she can eat buffalo mozzarella without adverse effect. But I have never tried it.

Blinko Sun 05-Feb-17 16:06:12

Give me European cheese any day, especially St Agur.. delish! I won't be tempted to try any American stuff any time soon. Like their version of chocolate, it sounds awful.

Jalima Sun 05-Feb-17 15:15:36

In the United States, processed cheese is defined, categorized, and regulated by the Food and Drug Administration under the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations Title 21 (Food and Drugs), Section 133 (Cheeses and Cheese Related Products).[7][8] Pasteurized process cheese can be made from a single cheese (solid, or powdered), or a blend of several cheeses. Cream, milk fat, water, salt, artificial color, oils (for consistency and texture), and spices may also be added. The mixture is heated with an emulsifier, poured into a mold, and allowed to cool. The definitions include:

Pasteurized process cheese, which is made from one or more cheeses (excluding certain cheeses such as cream cheese and cottage cheese but including American cheese), and which may contain one or more specified "optional ingredients" (includes both dairy and non-dairy items). Moisture not more than 41 percent; fat in the solids, not less than 49 percent.
Pasteurized process cheese food, which is made from not less than 51 percent by final weight of one or more "optional cheese ingredients" (similar to the cheeses available for pasteurized process cheese), mixed with one or more "optional dairy ingredients" (milk, whey, etc.), and which may contain one or more specified "optional ingredients" (nondairy). Moisture must be <44 percent, and fat content >23 percent.
Pasteurized process cheese spread, which is made similarly to pasteurized process cheese food but must be spreadable at 70 ° F. Moisture must be between 44-60 percent, and fat content >20 percent.

From Wiki

Jaxie Sun 05-Feb-17 15:11:08

Canadian cheese is just as awful: processed to death it's like eating plastic wrapping. I imagine it's the fat content in cheese that is the problem

Jalima Sun 05-Feb-17 15:09:42

You need the protein Direne3
Ignore him and his extreme views.
Just avoid American cheese!

Direne3 Sun 05-Feb-17 14:55:18

Oh noooo, not another restriction, I'm a veggie - how will I survive without one of the small pleasures of life. (I'm size 12 and not worrying unduly about my weight).