Flu Vac and Covid Vac possible interraction?

EllanVannin you are not just the messenger.
You are the person who chose to post that statement without checking to see if it was true.

I was alarmed to read your post and am glad that others were able to give correct information.

Where is this Panacea then Maw ?

I agree with MOica nobody will be taking those vaccines together or even remotely close to each other.

EV that is disgraceful misinformation to have posted on this thread. Some people are very frightened, I am not one of them but you are not helping.

Not actually true EllenVannin

^When the 1918 flu hit, doctors and scientists were unsure what caused it or how to treat it. Unlike today, there were no effective vaccines or antivirals, drugs that treat the flu. (The first licensed flu vaccine appeared in America in the 1940s*

EllanVannin

They've only had 100 odd years since the Spanish pandemic to come up with a vaccine. SARS-related.

Good grief. I am actually speechless.

They've only had 100 odd years since the Spanish pandemic to come up with a vaccine. SARS-related.

Is not shooting the messenger EV, its pointing out that what you posted was wrong and dangerous. I'm not going to stop doing that.

Why do you always delight in shooting the messenger ? You're like a bunch of baying wolves waiting for their next meal !
Report me if you must as it's second nature to one of you !

Sadly the scales are tipped at HQ imo to the pedlars of untruths and not the callers out

Suzie
"Instead of moderators getting wound up about low grade so called personal attacks, HQ might do well to employ a fact checker."
Agree Suzie

EllanVannin

AstraZenica have halted their tests since someone has lost the use of her legs after having the Covid vaccination.

As others have pointed out, this is misleading as well as inaccurate .

The UK trial of a leading coronavirus vaccine, which was abruptly halted because of safety concerns, restarted on Saturday after the university conducting the trial said an independent committee found that it was safe to do so

The University of Oxford and pharmaceutical company AstraZeneca paused enrolment in the global trials of their vaccine candidate on 6 September, after a person participating in the UK trial experienced an adverse reaction.

Scientists say that a pause is not uncommon in large trials, and that a speedy resumption of testing was to be expected. The episode shows that care is being taken with the trial, they say

Like anybody else who knows the importance of vaccines, I am very happy that the trial will continue,” says Klaus Stöhr, a retired influenza researcher who headed the World Health Organization’s research and epidemiology division for severe acute respiratory syndrome.

The University of Oxford and AstraZeneca have not yet released details of the adverse reaction that led to the trial’s pause and how the decision to resume the UK study was made

Social media too often carries items of hearsay which rapidly spread like Chinese Whispers. We have the whole of the internet at our fingertips to check facts before believing and even more so repeating them.

As for an interaction between the flu jab and any Covid immunisation, apart from the fact that there is no medical reason why that should pose a risk, the latter is many many months off so how about crossing that bridge when we come to it?

Thanks for that post M0nica, and thanks especially to your DH. Its him and people like him who will get us out of this mess.

Greeneyedgirl, that is such a good explanation, I hope people take note.

There is only likely to be a reaction if you have them both jabs at the same time or very close to each other. I cannot see how there could be any interaction after, say, a month, or even several weeks. By then the immune response would have been triggered in your body and any of the material used in the vaccine would have been excreted or otherwise absorbed into the body.

EllenVannin and others, there was only a temporary halt in the COVID programme while the case of someone on the programme became ill was investigated. It wasn't inevitable that if someone became ill it was vaccine related and eerything seems OK now because vaccination of volunteers is continuing. How do I know all this? DH is one of the volunteers, and his second jab was delayed for a week but he has now had i, of course we do not know whether he had the COVID jab or the control substance.. This Phase 3 (I think) involves 10,000s of people in countries all over the world and includes people like DH who is over 75, overweight and has Type 2 diabetes (in remission).

Others have made the point about what being licensed or not makes, and it is to a large extent a administrative formality. If a COVID jab is around, I will have it, even if it has some side attacks that will still be better than the side effect (death, and an unpleasant one) that might kick in if, unvaccinated, I caught the disease.

I’ve reported a particularly egregious example on another thread - it’ll be interesting to see what HQ do. What right do some posters think they have to post potentially .frightening misinformation that may affect people’s behaviour adversely? Instead of moderators getting wound up about low grade so called personal attacks, HQ might do well to employ a fact checker.

I get deleted for sarcastic posts aimed at particular repeat offenders. Best to not name names I guess.

suziewoozie

FFS EV Is anyone else utterly fed up with the impunity with which some posters post dangerous/ misleading/ false information on GN? But of course, it’s not against the guidelines. ( this post probably is)

Sometimes I feel like a one-woman fact checking service.....

I guess I'll get grief for that comment....

FFS EV Is anyone else utterly fed up with the impunity with which some posters post dangerous/ misleading/ false information on GN? But of course, it’s not against the guidelines. ( this post probably is)

Yes Alegrias that was an informative programme.
It is not uncommon during trials of vaccines for them to be halted when someone becomes ill after vaccination, whilst they investigate whether the vaccine was involved. The trial was indeed recommenced a short time afterwards.

In fact people fairly frequently get other infections which are always circulating, after vaccination, but are totally unconnected to the vaccine. There are quite a few people who refuse vaccines in the erroneous belief that the vaccine caused them to contract flu, bronchitis or several common winter conditions.

A medicine which is unlicensed is not necessarily unsafe. For example children sometimes receive unlicensed medicines because they may be only say licensed for adults.

If anyone would like to hear the real story behind the vaccine development and testing then listen to Jim Al-Khalili's The Life Scientific with Sarah Gilbert on BBC Sounds. It explains how they have managed to get a head start on development and manufacture and how safety is the prime consideration.

EllanVannin that is dangerous misinformation. Gransnetters, do not believe this.

It is not true to say that the vaccine tests have been halted, they were paused several weeks ago due to someone who was on the tests being taken ill. When you have large scale trials like this one, people will get ill for lots of reasons, not necessarily because of the vaccine. An independent review body looked at the situation and said that the virus trial could go ahead, and it has resumed.

AstraZenica have halted their tests since someone has lost the use of her legs after having the Covid vaccination.

Septimia
"Incidentally, DH heard/read that researchers think that the flu vaccine might give some protection regarding certain Covid symptoms."
Actually I heard/read the opposite, that while giving you some protection against the flu, it would make Covid symptoms worse if you were to catch it!
So take your pick. Only hearsay and I don't know the source of information either.

I have to admit to not being au fait with the licencing process and was merely trying to be lighter-hearted (but not flippant!). I shall certainly be happy to have a Covid jab provided it has been thoroughly tested.

Incidentally, DH heard/read that researchers think that the flu vaccine might give some protection regarding certain Covid symptoms. Of course, this is only hearsay as I don't know the source of the information, but it's interesting.

I've got my flu jab booked and shall definitely be going!

biba70 having a vaccine for Covid is not likely to happen for months, possibly longer, so I’ll do my own due diligence at the time.

PS. Researchers from the Oxford trial don't know yet whether the vaccine will protect against Covid-19. There's a long way to go yet.