Flu Vac and Covid Vac possible interraction?

M0nica

But I did check my facts, hence the link.

Not aimed at you at all.

But I did check my facts, hence the link.

Happy to say the Scottish educational system was streets ahead of that in England in many respects, not least eschewing over early specialisation in either the arts or the sciences both of which could be studied throughout ones time in secondary education.
I did not criticise anybody’s education, just the dangers of repeating what may be hearsay without checking the facts.

MawB" you have chosen to deliberately misunderstand my last post, why I have no idea. After all you attacked the OP on similar grounds.

I said none of the things you quote me as saying. I made it quite clear that I was talking about deficiencies in the education system. When I was at school, 1950s, Science and maths were generally very poorly taught in girls schools and in mixed schools girls were actively discouraged from studying science and there is a big imbalance in the number of men and women studying the subject even now. www.ifs.org.uk/publications/13276 I have met women my age for whom science was simply not taught in their girls school at all.

There is plenty of scientific ignorance at every level in Society and Social media shows this applies to young as well as older people. But the fact remains that the majority of well educated scientists and engineers coming out of our schools with science A levels and graduating from university having studied for STEM degrees are still male. Therefore the level of science education among women is lower than that of men and the older we are the worse our education in STEM subjects is likely to be

Once you leave school, it is up to the individual how far they remedy the deficiencies of their education. This thread suggests that some people haven't done that. Some have and some are scientists and technologists.

EllanVannin

Riverwalk I imagine that most daily's have a piece about it today if you've bothered to read it !
Like I said----don't shoot the messenger !

EV if you’re in a hole, stop digging.

The only reference I could find today was in the Mail, although you may of course have seen it somewhere else as well. All of the language used was inflammatory; AZ deny this, AZ refused to say that; talk of secret files. Its all designed to alarm people and undermine confidence in the vaccine. I have no idea why the press do this, but sensationalism sells. The Mail is not a good scientific source.

The trials may or may not result in a successful vaccine, only time will tell. But using phrases like "lost the use of her legs" is just inflammatory. The woman is getting better! Even the Mail says so, in a round about way.

On GN it’s not unusual for sneering comments to be made esp by the RW about posts with links or made towards posters who call out false information. As said above, giving links would help as would a more positive attitude from the right towards facts.

biba70

The OP was just a question- it did not give any false information. If it did, I would ask for it to be removed. Why is it wrong to ask and discuss. If you have facts that can show that my question is irrelevant- I would welcome it. Thanks.

biba70 we posted at almost exactly the same time, and I think we are saying the same thing. I hope you took it from my posting that I agree with what you have written here.

Riverwalk I imagine that most daily's have a piece about it today if you've bothered to read it !
Like I said----don't shoot the messenger !

biba70 nothing wrong with asking, it is some of the answers you were given, which were both alarmist and uninformed.

M0nica

*MawB2*, I think the problem is that the effective teaching of science and statistics at school in the UK has never been good and the older you are, especially if you are female, the worse your scientific and mathematical education is likely to have been.

Unfortunately this means that, unless people have set out to educate themselves when school days are long gone, there are often deficiencies in their knowledge and understanding of those subjects for which they are not to blame.

I have barely got beyond the first three lines - what are you implying?

If you mean me - wash your mouth out with soap and water!

If you mean anybody else posting on GN - how patronising.
You are saying that
1)Women know less about science than men,
2) women of a certain age know even less.
I am lost for words.
You may be speaking for yourself - not me!

suziewoozie I think this thread suggests that a lot of people are doing just that.

EllanVannin

AstraZenica have halted their tests since someone has lost the use of her legs after having the Covid vaccination.

As a retired RN, should you not reference your source?

Being Devil’s Advocate: People may be posting about something like the vaccine development because they are worried about it. There is so much fake news on Social Media and elsewhere, that at least there is then the opportunity to point out that these concerns are unfounded. Hopefully that will be a good thing for people who haven’t got all the background information, to help them make their own minds up.

By the way, I’m quite old and I’m pretty scientifically literate ? Some young people, however…. ? (joke)

The OP was just a question- it did not give any false information. If it did, I would ask for it to be removed. Why is it wrong to ask and discuss. If you have facts that can show that my question is irrelevant- I would welcome it. Thanks.

biba70

Always been pro VAC- and never had hesitation in getting myself vaccinated, my children and grandchildren.

But this time is different- I DO NOT TRUST this Government and the Covid vaccination programme. They intend to go ahead without it being tested properly nor registered- and I will not be having their vaccination.

Is anyone aware of any study/research into possible interractions between Covid Vac and Flu vac? Has this not been thought of at all?

There's no Covid vaccination yet is there, so how can there be any contraindications?

Ah well that’s real intelligence- knowing what you know and what you don’t. If you post something that would clearly worry someone and you haven’t checked it then you are being stupid, thoughtless and inconsiderate.

But how do you know whether you fall in that category or not? There are clearly many people who are unaware of this.

Monica if you haven’t got the education or knowledge about a subject, then don’t post on it.

MawB2, I think the problem is that the effective teaching of science and statistics at school in the UK has never been good and the older you are, especially if you are female, the worse your scientific and mathematical education is likely to have been.

Unfortunately this means that, unless people have set out to educate themselves when school days are long gone, there are often deficiencies in their knowledge and understanding of those subjects for which they are not to blame.

Luckygirl

Frankly OP you are just scaremongering - fancy putting such a nonsense idea on people's heads.

Heaven knows we have enough troubles without adding in this crap.

If you have any decency you should ask HQ to delete your post.

And indeed the thread which degenerates into some sensationalist misinformation.

Frankly OP you are just scaremongering - fancy putting such a nonsense idea on people's heads.

Heaven knows we have enough troubles without adding in this crap.

If you have any decency you should ask HQ to delete your post.

EllanVannin. It usually takes many years to develop vaccines - and by the time they are usable the threat his passed and they are no longer required. That is why there is no vaccine for the 1918 epidemic. It isn't required, the pathogen no longer exists.

It is quite exceptional that, potentially, a vaccine for COVID has been developed so fast. It has built on the pioneering research done when developing a vaccine for Ebola. I think you will find this article about the development of the Ebola vaccine very interesting, I certainly did. www.statnews.com/2020/01/07/inside-story-scientists-produced-world-first-ebola-vaccine/

With SARS and MERS they were not as infectious as COVID and were brought under control by containment; contact chasing, quarantine and treatment. Had they been more infectious and spread across the world, vaccines would have been developed.

Alarmed ? FarNorth .Bit of an exaggeration isn't it ? Perhaps I'm reading too much in that sensationalist broadsheet---the Mail ?

EV Vaccine development in the 20th and 21st century has been one of the greatest public health successes. There were so many diseases that killed many of our grandparents generation which are very rare, or unheard of in this country now.

Great strides have been made and will continue to be made because science is advancing at such a rapid rate. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that a successful vaccine to COVID-19 will be possible quite soon.

We've had the Asian 'flu---SARS, MERS but no vaccine ?