The Vaccine

M0nica

The thalidomide disaster was 50 years ago. The current testing and approval system is immeasurably different and better.

I really do not understand why people keep referring to it. It is totally irrelevant. It wasn't even a vaccine.

I agree M0nica - it's like insisting on writing a letter when you could be emailing or texting or video-calling. Life and technology have moved on.

The thalidomide disaster was 50 years ago. The current testing and approval system is immeasurably different and better.

I really do not understand why people keep referring to it. It is totally irrelevant. It wasn't even a vaccine.

Which makes it even more important for everyone that can have the vaccine to have it, thereby protecting pregnant women. Anti vaccer’s will probably use it as an argument against having the vaccine when, in fact it’s the opposite.

ayse

Just been listening to How to Vaccinate the World on BBC Radio 4.

Pregnant women will not be offered the vaccine as they have not trialled the virus on this population. They are very much aware of the Thalidomide disaster and do not want a repeat.

Oh no, I'd just about managed to ignore
thoughts of that disaster yesterday, then it rears its head again today. Was that spoken about by the medics or just a listener's question?

Just been listening to How to Vaccinate the World on BBC Radio 4.

Pregnant women will not be offered the vaccine as they have not trialled the virus on this population. They are very much aware of the Thalidomide disaster and do not want a repeat.

The COVID vaccination is just a vaccination like any other vaccination. There is nothing special about it. Did anyone get as worried about the effects of childhood vaccinations when DGC are having them or AC had them as children?

Even the speed of its development is not unusual. As I have pointed out before the Ebola vaccination was developed just as quickly - and I do not remember all this hand-wringing over that vaccine. Just joy and relief that a vaccine had been found so soon.

Yes, some jabs do make you feel rottten for a while after, but unless you are disciple of Andrew Wakefield, they do not cause permanent side effects unrelated to their purpose.

Too many people with time on their hands during lockdown have been getting depressed and doom laden and ready to follow up on any bad or fake news and ignore everything positive.

Most of you have had the flu vaccination, what is different about the COVID vaccination.

Daddima with both my AC involved in research, one of them a scientist, I recognised so much of what was said in that clip you posted.

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Apparently queen and d of e are to receive jab and make it known to try and convince all the doubters to follow suit

growstuff

I don't think teachers are automatically offered flu jabs (could be wrong). When I was teaching in schools, I don't ever remember any promotions to encourage teachers to be vaccinated. I've been having one for years because I have diabetes, not because I was a teacher.

Just to add a little information, growstuff, I checked with 2 of our family members who are teachers in different parts of Scotland, and they were both offered the flu vaccine (free). One had it in school, which apparently happens every year, and the other had an appointment at a centre in the town. I realise that it might not be the case in England, Wales or NI.

It has been mooted that isolation could affect the immune system due to loneliness causing stress which could make you more susceptible to viruses.
Would that be more of a reason to have the vaccine?

If someone's immune system is really suppressed due to medication then expert medical advice would be sought from the patient's consultant or GP.

Yay!
We can have an icecream after our jabs if we don't cry.

Just this

The Daily Mirror and their like have a lot to answer for.

The 90 days figure comes from the fact that SAGE have looked at the figures for re-infection with the virus that causes COVID and compared that with other coronaviruses. Chances of re-infection are very small, and they have found that this is the same for all the viruses they looked at. Re-infection with other coronaviruses sometimes happens after a year, very rarely within 6 months, and never within 3 months. So, they can say that re-infection with the COVID virus is not going to happen within 3 months, and not likely to happen within 6 months. Maybe after a year, maybe not.

This means we definitely won't need top-ups after 3 months, or probably even 6 months, but we might need it every year. But its really too early to say.

I really hope this doesn't put you off having the vaccine annsixty, the reports have spun this as negative when its actually positive. I couldn't find anything relevant on immunosuppression.

. . . could go back to coming into contact with all the bugs without worrying about their effect. We know that isn't true.

I thought that it occurred when the immune system was weakened by drugs, chronic illness or whatever. I don't think it happens just because you haven't been mixing with others for a while.

If that were true, people wouldn't need to take drugs to weaken the immune system for transplants - just staying alone for a while would work just as well, then they could go back to comin

We know that they can't, because people who have had transplants have to damp down their immune responses for the reat of their lives.

Where did you hear that about immunosuppression?

I just wondered how it will work if we need a top up every 3 months.
Alternatively if every single person is going to take up the offer of a vaccine and it is done quickly enough, we will have no problem.
We all know of course that is not going to happen.
I also read that people who have been isolating for a long period ,this includes me, may have a bad reaction to the vaccine as they could have become immunosuppressed.
Is this a possibility?
I had decided to accept the offer, now, once again I am unsure.

Trials of the Oxford vaccine began in April, so there is data for that.

On that basis perhaps in another 90 days we’ll be told immunity may last 180 days

Annsixty my assumption is that there is only approximately 90 days worth of data since trials began.
Can anyone else confirm or otherwise?

Elegran also SARS and MERS on which a lot of work had been done. Interesting in the paper today that the Oxford scientists are about to enter the final trials of a Malaria vaccine too.

The fact is true annsixty, but do you think that is good news or bad news? Or neither .

Or am I interpreting the news wrongly?

Immunity “may last for 90days”
That is a “reasonable assumption”
Am I reading the wrong news?

But it is related to the common cold corona virus, so the scientists had a clue to follow.