The Vaccine

This is a 'virus' previously unknown to the general public. UNTIL now. You had to have been on another planet never to have heard of our present tried and tested twentieth C vaccines the world has benefited from having saved many lives.It is understandable for many to be cautious myself admitting with hands in the air being one of the and .

Dawn22 This question was asked of the scientists. The answer is that it was tested on women of childbearing age but, not specifically on pregnant women. However, some did become pregnant during the trial and no adverse effects were recorded to mothers or babies.
That is the Oxford trial. We can only assume the same can be said about the Pfizer one.

Rosalyn69

Mr Drakeford says we may have it by next week. Well some of us. I hope the elderly going first means we need protecting and not that we are expendable if it all goes wrong.

No. The reasoning is that the people that are most likely to be hospitalised with COVID will be vaccinated first, thus taking pressure off the NHS (and also freeing up beds for routine stuff I guess. JVT said on tv today that this approach should reduce 98% of hospitalisations.

Just a query

Anyone have any thoughts on women of child bearing years taking the Vaccine when it does get rolled out.
Thanks for any input.
Dawn

Mr Drakeford says we may have it by next week. Well some of us. I hope the elderly going first means we need protecting and not that we are expendable if it all goes wrong.

For those who are worried about it being ‘rushed’.

( I know it’s from social media, but it sounds reasonable to me)

Sparklefizz

^Well yes I’ve been wondering about teachers being vaccinated. They’re usually offered free flu jabs (I think) so shouldn’t they be somewhere in the priority list ?^

My daughter's a teacher and can't get a flu jab anywhere, free or paid for.

Yes i me a couple of ex colleagues who are still teaching both are over. They said the same.
My information may be out of date. We used to be offered it I know.

It is not so much protecting children, etc. that I think that teachers,etc should be in the forefront of the vaccination; It is to protect those teachers and other adults in the schools, and thereby, hopefully get back to keeping schools/colleges fully open. To me, these people are as important as the NHS workers, although I detest the idea of prioritising in this way

Oh yes I remember Andrew Wakefield. At the time I must admit his argument against the MMR vaccine did seem convincing, especially as it was allegedly backed up with evidence from trials.

Ultimately as Stainedglass said, the study was found to be fraudulent and he was struck off.

Apparently he is now a bit of a celebrity in the US where he lives with his girlfriend Elle McPherson.

I really hope that most people will have the sense to ignore the shameful conspiracy theories circulating around the covid vaccines.

We need as many people as possible to have the vaccine when it is offered.

I don't think teachers are automatically offered flu jabs (could be wrong). When I was teaching in schools, I don't ever remember any promotions to encourage teachers to be vaccinated. I've been having one for years because I have diabetes, not because I was a teacher.

Well yes I’ve been wondering about teachers being vaccinated. They’re usually offered free flu jabs (I think) so shouldn’t they be somewhere in the priority list ?

My daughter's a teacher and can't get a flu jab anywhere, free or paid for.

I know several people who had the Shingles vaccine and still went on to get Shingles .... but just had it very mildly without the painful rash. I suspect the Covid vaccine might be the same.

trisher

I don't think the limitations ofthe vaccine are beng publicised widely enough and I do think most people imagine that if they are vaccinated life will be exactly as it was pre-covid

I agree. Many people seem to think that if they have the jab, they won't catch Covid and can go about their business as normal without infecting anybody else.

Vaccines are very safe, and the reason so many people think there is a risk goes back to a doctor called Andrew Wakefield who was struck off in 2010 when the GMC found that he had been dishonest in his research, acted against his patients' best interests and mistreated children. I think he may have a personality disorder but my own personal feeling about MMR (measles mumps and rubella) vaccine is based on my own daughter being born with congenital rubella. There was no vaccine when I was young, so I got symptomless rubella without knowing it when I was pregnant. At her birth we were told she could be some or all of: blind, deaf, with mental defects, permanent heart disease, and infertile when she grew up, and we had to get her checked all the time as a baby, then for the next 20 years. It was a nightmare. So please, don't risk spreading any disease to others by not getting vaccinated - even if you don't care if you, yourself, live or die.

Lucca

Franbern

Í do think that teachers and all staff at schools should be amongst the very first people eligible for vaccination. This emphasis on 'the old' worries me, and, it seems, as if - yet again - our young people at colleges and schools are being pushed aside.

Well yes I’ve been wondering about teachers being vaccinated. They’re usually offered free flu jabs (I think) so shouldn’t they be somewhere in the priority list ?

Just whistling in the wind, Growstuff, just whistling in the wind.....

Franbern

Í do think that teachers and all staff at schools should be amongst the very first people eligible for vaccination. This emphasis on 'the old' worries me, and, it seems, as if - yet again - our young people at colleges and schools are being pushed aside.

Well yes I’ve been wondering about teachers being vaccinated. They’re usually offered free flu jabs (I think) so shouldn’t they be somewhere in the priority list ?

I don't think the limitations ofthe vaccine are beng publicised widely enough and I do think most people imagine that if they are vaccinated life will be exactly as it was pre-covid

Cross post Alegrias.

Franbern

Í do think that teachers and all staff at schools should be amongst the very first people eligible for vaccination. This emphasis on 'the old' worries me, and, it seems, as if - yet again - our young people at colleges and schools are being pushed aside.

It's a question of priorities. There aren't yet enough vaccines to go round the whole population - and certainly not enough people to administer them within a short time.

Young people aren't being pushed aside, but they're the least likely to suffer severe symptoms and the vaccine will probably not stop them from infecting other people.

"The old" are the ones most likely to die if they get the virus Franbern. The purpose of the vaccination is to save lives and relieve the pressure on hospitals, not decide whose life is most worthy of saving.

Í do think that teachers and all staff at schools should be amongst the very first people eligible for vaccination. This emphasis on 'the old' worries me, and, it seems, as if - yet again - our young people at colleges and schools are being pushed aside.

It depends what kind of heating/air cons system it is and how often the filters are changed. Some systems have been shown to spread infection, eg on cruise ships.

DH spoke to someone today on the phone that has elderly relatives who caught COVID and they hadn’t left their flat for months and followed every guideline. All they can think is that they caught it via the heating/air con system in their block of flats. Things like that really freak me out.

Trials have shown that people who are infected usually don't develop severe symptoms, but there have been no trials on whether those people are infectious in the first few days before they know they're infected and when they are most infectious. They could be wandering around infecting others without knowing they're a carrier.

Petera

growstuff

But it hasn't been established whether the vaccine does protect other people. The only beneficiary will be the person who is vaccinated.

The vaccine protects other people by reducing the incidence of the virus in the community and therefore reducing the chances of coming into contact with it.

No, it hasn't been established that it does that.