The Vaccine

MayBee70

Even when people are vaccinated we still need to follow the hands face space ventilate rules for a considerable amount of time. However I very much doubt that people will.

Exactly! And I wish that everybody understood that. The vaccine will hopefully protect the person vaccinated from serious symptoms, but it won't protect other people and probably won't stop community transmission. The only way that will happen is if people continue to follow all the safe distancing rules.

Even when people are vaccinated we still need to follow the hands face space ventilate rules for a considerable amount of time. However I very much doubt that people will.

Trisher that analogy really isn't reassuring. Traffic lights are there for a reason, they only turn green if the way ahead is entirely safe

From Wikipedia:
Peter Openshaw FRCP FMedSci is an English clinician and scientist specialising in lung immunology, particularly defence against viral infections. He created the academic department of Respiratory Medicine and the Centre for Respiratory Infection at Imperial College and was elected President of the British Society for Immunology in 2014

If the traffic light analogy is good enough for him, it’s good enough for me.

I can't understand why Piers Corbyn hasn't been arrested as he seems to lead an anti-vax demo every weekend. Why not make a big example of him?. Perhaps because by arresting him he would then have an even bigger platform to spout forth his views? The best plan is to ignore these people, don't give them air space.

growstuff

But it hasn't been established whether the vaccine does protect other people. The only beneficiary will be the person who is vaccinated.

The vaccine protects other people by reducing the incidence of the virus in the community and therefore reducing the chances of coming into contact with it.

But it hasn't been established whether the vaccine does protect other people. The only beneficiary will be the person who is vaccinated.

annsixty

Has everyone made up their minds about the vaccine yet?

I an 83 so in what is possibly the second group to be offered it.
I just cannot make a decision about whether or not to accept.

I have always had the flue jab, had pneumonia one and shingles, so why am I so undecided about this?

I have spoken to several friends in the same age group and they are all eager to go ahead, in fact one is champing at the bit and says he will be first in the queue.

Any thoughts ?

The main effect of vaccines is to protect other people; none are 100% effective so you need as many people to take them as possible to protect those for whom teh vaccine didn't work. The fact that they also protect you is a welcome side effect.

So, win-win really.

It has not been established whether any of the vaccines actually prevents transmission, so no area can be Covid-free (even if nobody ever entered the area from another). All we do know is that it has been shown to stop most people from developing serious symptoms, but that doesn't mean they're not infectious. The reason for prioritising over 70s is because they're in the age group who suffer symptoms the worst.

I LOVE the traffic lights analogy. ?

The reason traffic lights go red is to let other vehicles just like you get their turn, not so that everyone can stand around for a while and decide if its safe to go on.

I have read a very reassuring piece recently explaining how the Oxford vaccine has been produced so quickly.

There were a number of factors which sped up the process including the fact that they had been expecting and preparing for a pandemic so had made a start even before they had the genetic code to continue.

Funding wasn’t a problem, neither was recruiting enough volunteers for the trial.

It was also stressed that during normal vaccine trials, years go by when nothing is done, not because it actually takes years to produce.

The regulators have been following the trial at each stage so that should speed up the final stage.

It is all so reassuring and answered many of the questions about how it could have been produced so quickly.

I also get cross with all the fake scaremongering around what has been the most fantastic achievement.

I will most definitely have the vaccine when I am offered it.

trisher, I don't think it can be done by area, not now, when people move and travel everywhere.

It seems to me that we'll have a pretty long wait to get the vaccine anyway. First will be health workers and the elderly in care homes (quite rightly) followed by the very elderly in the community.

That leaves months of waiting for anyone under 80, doesn't it? I'd be first in the queue. Having mainly isolated since February, I can't wait to get out and about.

Any little worries about the vaccine (I have many allergies) are swamped by real concern about catching the virus!

I have reread my reply to Nonni53 and can see nothing snide in it.

Janeainsworth that analogy really isn't reassuring. Traffic lights are there for a reason, they only turn green if the way ahead is entirely safe. The trouble is that many are saying the way may not be safe.
I don't understand how you can have "mass" immunisation in waves when you have no idea how long immunity lasts. I can understand it being done in areas because then that area would be Covid free. As it is you could immunise all 70+s but still leave an active virus which might be spread again if the vaccine only has a certain length of immunity.
I was part of the first oral polio mass immunisation when the whole city of Hull was treated. It made perfect sense then as the whole area was protected (and people just queued up for it). I was a bit narked because I'd had the injection the year before.

Thanks Algerias2 . Yes, that’s the one.

Nonni53

Yikes...I am well aware of the advances made in science and in medicine. I'm not stuck in the 1950s...honestly... that comment was not necessary. I thought this was a safe place to express how we all felt without snide comments.

Time to move away from this site. Be safe and stay healthy everyone

Sorry but what a childish response. You seem unable to justify your standpoint. I wonder if you are aware how much false information is being spread via places like Facebook.

Yikes...I am well aware of the advances made in science and in medicine. I'm not stuck in the 1950s...honestly... that comment was not necessary. I thought this was a safe place to express how we all felt without snide comments.

Time to move away from this site. Be safe and stay healthy everyone

Apart from anything else in these litigious days they wouldn't dare produce a dangerous vaccine or allow one to be to be used on the general public. Safety standards are rigorous. If JVT's mums having the vaccine then so am I.

To those who are worried about the speed with which the vaccines are being rolled out.
This week I watched a webinar discussion between Tim Spector of the Covid Symptom study snd Peter Openshaw, a distinguished immunologist.
He explained that corners are not being cut, and all safety measures are being adhered to.
He likened the process to driving from A to B and having to go through 10 sets of traffic lights.
If all the lights are on red, your journey will take longer than if they are all set to green.

That is what is happening with the vaccines. They are being green-lighted through the various procedures so that they can be licensed and available for use as soon as possible. They aren't being pushed through without all the usual stringent checks being carried out.

Is this it MayBee70?

www.history.ox.ac.uk/article/covid-19-anti-vaxxers-use-the-same-arguments-from-135-years-ago

Can’t do a link but there was something on Facebook today showing that people that were protesting about having a smallpox vaccine were using exactly the same arguments that the anti COVID vacc’ers are using now. And that one of the doctors arguing against using the vaccine had actually had it himself.

Nonni What is so suprising that science and technology are advancing all the time. Advances in science are and technology are happenening all the time. Go back to 1990 and most people had neither heard or used email, we were still using MSDos, Windows was still just a gleam in Bill Gates eye. Look where we are now.

Medecine and science have advanced just as fast if not faster. Scientists also build cumulatively on the discoveries of previous generations of scientists.

Your knowledge of scientific resaerch methods seems embedded in the 1950s. Time to catch up.

People talk about side effects. Look at the small print on any medicine and there will be POSSIBLE side effects for goodness sake.
Agree piers corbyn is a menace. But isn’t there a little bunch of widdecombe farage etc types who are also anti masks etc. .

If you wait seven years for proof that the vaccine is safe, that’s plenty of time in which to die of Covid.

on the case, not of

Apparently GCHQ have also been put of the case Lucca because of so much fake news from Russia and other "unfriendly" nations. I can't understand why Piers Corbyn hasn't been arrested as he seems to lead an anti-vax demo every weekend. Why not make a big example of him?