No jab no job

M0nica

*JaneJudge*, as I said; 'most' residents. The others include my learning disabled niece and both her parents have been vaccinated, because they are over 70.

I am hoping now Jo Whiley's sister's case has been looked at they revisit looking at vaccinating people with LD in residential care (or even at home) My daughter still hasn't been called I hope Jo's sister is ok too. I hate covid, it has caused so much loss

JaneJudge, as I said; 'most' residents. The others include my learning disabled niece and both her parents have been vaccinated, because they are over 70.

...we are coming up for a year of deaths, lockdowns, businesses ruined, jobs lost, education in tatters and mental health, domestic violence and child abuse on the rise. All these can be laid at the door of Covid-19.

No they can't.

They are the result of our reaction, or as some might say, over-reaction to the virus.

I do accept that there have always been reasons to get vaccinated. However if you read through this thread, and others, and accept all the reasons for why people are saying others must be vaccinated, it leaves very little space left for personal responsibility in this matter.

This, as I have said before, is compulsory vaccination by the back door and is totally unacceptable in my mind.

not all people that live in 'care homes' are old

It is almost academic, but then there are so many almost academic questions.
That's why the issue of consent is such a huge deal.

Only if the resident is vaccinated and they will not come into contact with any other residents, wearing masks from home entrance into relative's room and back.

However that is almost an academic question as given the extreme age of most residents, the majority of their visitors, family and friends will already have been vaccinated, unless they have refused it.

MissAdventure

Should families of care home residents be allowed to visit if they aren't vaccinated?

no but when are they going to get vaccinated?

Should families of care home residents be allowed to visit if they aren't vaccinated?

Grannyrose There is more than one job in the world, they could even stay in the same industry, providing they do not have patient/resident contact. No one is being deprived of a job. Just told that a job they had done was no longer available to someone without the vaccination.

There are all sorts of circumstances where people are restricted from following certain careers. Some professions require high standards of eyesight, teachers, doctors, nurses, police officers, all have to meet certain standards and can be barred from their profession. I think there are jobs where not having a tetanus jab and refusing to get one, could stop you joining a profession.

DH worked offshore at one point, they were not allowed offhsore for any time without an uptodate certificate of dental health and had to have regular medical checks.

The list of those whose job prospects on one career or another are too numerous to list.

Well, that's a first.
Long may it continue.

MissAdventure

Incidentally, it doesn't matter if people pay handsomely or are funded by the state.
Human rights are for everyone equally.

Well we can agree on that, for certain.

M0nica

*GrannyRose15*. There is no contradiction in my post. If someone in a job should have a jab and chooses not to, I would not say they should be sacked, although ideally they should be moved to work that requires less patient interaction, but if an employer is recruiting staff, it is quite reasonable for them to insist that applicants should have had the vaccineation.

The same thing with current residents, no-one already in care should be forced to have the vaccine if they choose not to, but it is quite reasonable to insist that vaccination is necessary for new residents.

A policy like this, does pose some risk to begin with but as residents die and staff leave, within a year or so the problem will be minimal.

What you are saying is that people have the right to choose but if they choose not to be vaccinated then they can't earn a living and therefore have to starve.

What sort of choice is that?

Galaxy - it sounds horrific to me too.

Incidentally, it doesn't matter if people pay handsomely or are funded by the state.
Human rights are for everyone equally.

suziewoozie I would agree Monica on this. Not forcing - (but hopefully, lots of gentle persuading) of existing residents of care homes, but then not permitting new people coming in if they do not have relevant vaccinations.

It was interesting that on a recent tv programme, where they took eight different people all refusing the vaccine that where they were given factual full information on these, all eight agreed to have it. Lots of work countering those dreadful, inaccurate and dangerous items on social media, etc. regarding this (and all) vaccines need to be carried out.

And what will happen to those vulnerable people who are refused a care home place. Sorry but that just sounds horrific to me.

GrannyRose15. There is no contradiction in my post. If someone in a job should have a jab and chooses not to, I would not say they should be sacked, although ideally they should be moved to work that requires less patient interaction, but if an employer is recruiting staff, it is quite reasonable for them to insist that applicants should have had the vaccineation.

The same thing with current residents, no-one already in care should be forced to have the vaccine if they choose not to, but it is quite reasonable to insist that vaccination is necessary for new residents.

A policy like this, does pose some risk to begin with but as residents die and staff leave, within a year or so the problem will be minimal.

Fran but I still ask what about the rights of the provider of the service to only provide the service to vaccinated people?

It is rare for me to be undecided about major issues - but the idea compulsory vaccinations did find me not quite sure.

I do not like the idea of people being forced, against their wills to have such things - at the same time I know that I have, for some years, put forward the idea that children entering any public education establishment (nursery/primary school) should be required to show proof of the complete childhood vaccinations (as they have done for a long time in USA).

Thing the argument that finally convinced me was when someone stated that when we get on a bus or in a taxi, we do so in the knowledge that our driver has a proper licence to drive those vehicles. So, I have finally decided that YES, jobs which bring people in contact with the public in any way should ensure that their employees are vaccinated.

GrannyRose15

What facts?

The article is entitled "Covid-19 survival rate is not 99.991% for under 60s" It then goes on to explain why this figure has been wrongly calculated.

As I have NEVER quoted a figure of 99.991% or any figure for that matter how is it relevant to tell me this figure is wrong?

The black and white facts.

Perhaps they also have the right to see their families, to have their hands held when they are ill, and not to die alone.

Sadly, all these have been denied them because we have to keep them alive at all costs. Do you know how long people spend in a care home on average? The answer used to be two years. Whatever it is now, a year without contact is a large proportion of the time a person will spend there.

I don't think anyone would consider it a privilege to be in a care home at the moment, whatever they pay for it.

I believe some people in care homes pay handsomely for the privilege. Maybe they have a 'right' of self preservation by not wishing to be assisted by helpers who have not been vaccinated?

What facts?

The article is entitled "Covid-19 survival rate is not 99.991% for under 60s" It then goes on to explain why this figure has been wrongly calculated.

As I have NEVER quoted a figure of 99.991% or any figure for that matter how is it relevant to tell me this figure is wrong?

You have Grannyrose15, this is a quote from you in the posts above:
‘Oh come on! How many times do you have to be told that the virus is only dangerous to the old and sick. The average age of death is over 80 FGS.’
I was providing the facts on how many people had died in other age groups, which is not insignificant numbers.

Casdon

Grannyrose15 you may want to read this, it refers to the number of deaths under the age of 60 due to COVID for England and Wales. It isn’t just killing older people.

fullfact.org/online/covid-death-rate-under-60/

This article is totally irrelevant as I have NEVER made any of the claims that it is refuting.