Transgender people who start hormones as teenagers rather than adults 'have better mental health’

Have you read it?

As I said, the important part is the findings which have been widely reported and I have managed to show evidence that some concerns (which I am putting in bold to highlight that I am not doubting them) are addressed within it.

The study was an extraordinarily wide and varied one and really very enlightening

Oh, who on this thread has read the study? Apologies if I have missed it, but I don't remember seeing anyone saying that they have done so. It will definitely be behind a paywall, but if someone is a student or member of staff of a university whose library has the relevant licence would be able to read it, if they have time and inclination.

In any case, a link to the full study is most unlikely to be read by many people on here. We have too much to do, I'd imagine. Not having done so, but commenting on what was said in the OP is no 'not reading studies or research' - it is not necessarily reading that research paper.

The comments on this thread have not needed access to the study - they have all been directed at what was quoted, and the follow-up posts about suicide and the spurious figures about the number of transpeople who take, or consider taking their own lives. There was more than enough to take issue with there.

Well, either we trust it or we don't I suppose as the full study is behind a pay wall currently.

As I said though some of the things people were saying should be included in the study, have been confirmed as in there by those who have read the full study and reported on it

Sorry no, that is a bibliographic link, not the full study.

That's my mistake, I haven't git the hang of saving links and now I have many of them

Hopefully this is it

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34272170/

I only say it because some of the things that were mentioned as missing from the research aren't actually missing if you read it

VioletSky

It's interesting that people who argue do vehemently don't look at studies or research themselves

Are you serious? Some of us actually do research

We are asked to believe stats that have been picked from a range of possibilities on Google, and if we don't like them to find our own. 'Studies or research' doesn't work like that.

It should have been obvious before they were posted that the figures of 1 in 4 and >80% are not based on research, for the reasons already mentioned. Anyone familiar with research would have seen that at first glance, and be aware that a study making unsubstantiated claims is highly likely to be flawed in other basic areas too.

Another thing that people usually check out before using studies to back up arguments is whether there is likely to be researcher bias. Who is running the study? Is anyone paying for it, and if so, do they have an axe to grind? That sort of thing.

What you posted is not a link to the actual study, VS. It is another report of its findings. It does, however, provide this interesting information:
Turban is the study’s lead author. The senior author is Alex Keuroghlian, MD, associate professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and director of the National LGBTQIA+ Health Education Center at the Fenway Institute.

Here is the link to the actual study

med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2022/01/mental-health-hormone-treatment-transgender-people.html

Well that's just not true.

It's interesting that people who argue do vehemently don't look at studies or research themselves

The strap line is what people are likely to remember. What that means is that the article needn’t be any more accurate than the statistics GJ suggested I Google. But that’s only to be expected.

No worries

It’s a bee in my bonnet generally.

Just ignore me. I need to get a life??

There are quotation marks in the title Peasblossom

Oh yes, I appreciate that. But not many people bother to click on links really.

And there’s quite a lot of threads that people don’t bother to open.

But a strap line that looks like fact will stick as fact for a lot of people.

Peasblossom the link to the article is in the OP

Maybe quotation marks then to make it clear?

Sorry I’ve been waging a bit of a campaign against titles that look like a fact but are really a quote or an opinion.

I dislike that some won’t go into the thread but will have the strap line in their head.

Don’t take it personally. Actually this one passed me by till now.

I feel the same about the headlines in certain newspapers too?

Mollygo

Peasblossom, it’s the posting of statements like the title of the OP as absolute truth that worry me. As you said, “it’s of benefit to all involved to question the effectiveness and safety of medication”. You make a good point about the fact that even those in favour have different opinions about when to start, dosage etc.
But being told by GJ that rather than her supplying the source of 1 in 4 and 80%,
I should google for myself to find statistics and that they will vary, questions the validity of the OP.

The title is the title of the article.

GagaJo

The easy option is to stop posting to avoid the ire. But that is the cowards way out. Trans people don't have the choice to opt out, so why should their supporters?

Truth

Peasblossom, it’s the posting of statements like the title of the OP as absolute truth that worry me. As you said, “it’s of benefit to all involved to question the effectiveness and safety of medication”. You make a good point about the fact that even those in favour have different opinions about when to start, dosage etc.
But being told by GJ that rather than her supplying the source of 1 in 4 and 80%,
I should google for myself to find statistics and that they will vary, questions the validity of the OP.

PB, no of course not. But it does get very hostile in the trans threads and I'm not engaging if that happens.

That comment wasn't GN member specific Galaxy. In general.

What ire? No ire in any of my posts.

But supportive shouldn’t mean unquestioning, should it?

It’s of benefit to all involved to question the effectiveness and safety of medication.

After all, it’s a relatively new treatment in its current form. Even those in favour have different opinions about when to start, dosage, etc.