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Transgender people who start hormones as teenagers rather than adults 'have better mental health’

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GagaJo Wed 12-Jan-22 19:49:33

Transgender people who start their hormones as teenagers have “far better” mental health than if they wait until adulthood, new research says.

Experts have found that transgender people who begin hormone treatment in adolescence had fewer suicidal thoughts, were less likely to experience major mental health disorders and had fewer problems with substance abuse than those who started hormones later in life.

The study, which was led by the Stanford University School of Medicine, gathered data from the largest-ever survey of US transgender adults where 27,715 people responded in 2015.

Researchers found that, as well as fewer mental health concerns when taking the drugs as teenagers, those who took the drugs at any age had better mental health than those who wanted them but had never received them.

Of the people surveyed, 21,598 reported they had received the hormones they wanted. Of these people, 119 began hormones at age 14 or 15; 362 at age 16 and 17 and 12,157 following their 18th birthday.

Some 8,860 people surveyed said they wanted but never received hormone therapy and acted as the control group for the study.

Odds of severe psychological distress were reduced by 222 per cent, 153 per cent and 81 per cent for those who began hormones in early adolescence, late adolescence and adulthood, respectively.

Odds of feeling suicidal in the previous year were 135 per cent lower in those who began hormones in early adolescence, 62 per cent lower in those who began in late adolescence and 21 per cent lower in those who began as adults, compared with the control group.

Dr Jack Turban, lead author on the study and expert in paediatric and adolescent psychiatry at Stanford Medicine, said: “This study is particularly relevant now because many state legislatures are introducing bills that would outlaw this kind of care for transgender youth.

“We are adding to the evidence base that shows why gender-affirming care is beneficial from a mental health perspective.”

In the UK, hormone drugs can only be given to people from the age of 16 who have been on puberty blockers for at least 12 months.

Last September, the UK Court of Appeal overturned a judgment that children under the age of 16 considering gender reassignment were unlikely to be mature enough to give informed consent to be prescribed puberty-blocking drugs.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/transgender-hormones-teenager-mental-health-b1991724.html

Rosie51 Sun 16-Jan-22 01:19:03

VioletSky

Not engaging further with anyone making assumptions, twisting words, name calling, questioning integrity or otherwise engaging disrespectfully.

I do not owe anyone an answer

VS Gagajo I won't go away, these things matter, they really do, I just can't talk to some anymore as its triggering. I'm sorry for what happened to your thread As it's been the two of us for the last few posts I assume this refers to me. If not please clarify to whom it does refer. I have not called anyone any names, nor any of the other transgressions you describe. To post such as this without specifics is not only despicable, it is cowardly. I'm sure most readers will appreciate this.

VioletSky Sun 16-Jan-22 01:11:51

GagaJo

Well done for trying, VioletSky. The patriarchy is strong amongst the gender critical.

Gagajo I won't go away, these things matter, they really do, I just can't talk to some anymore as its triggering. I'm sorry for what happened to your thread

Rosie51 Sun 16-Jan-22 01:04:34

VioletSky

Not engaging further with anyone making assumptions, twisting words, name calling, questioning integrity or otherwise engaging disrespectfully.

I do not owe anyone an answer

And the same goes for all the posters you have disrespected, twisted their words, questioned their integrity, or cast doubt on their 'kindness' being as magnificent as yours. Sleep well.

VioletSky Sun 16-Jan-22 01:01:49

Not engaging further with anyone making assumptions, twisting words, name calling, questioning integrity or otherwise engaging disrespectfully.

I do not owe anyone an answer

Rosie51 Sun 16-Jan-22 01:01:18

VioletSky

Rosie you just told me I am not allowed to speak of other threads and now you are demanding I do so.

You haven't given me a way forward.

Also, there isn't really any point if we are really honest.

These threads are consistantly turned into exercises in one-upmanship and the importance of our young people growing into healthy happy adults is forgotten

Oh VS stop with being the victim, I'm not demanding anything, you really do go in for exaggeration. I found your post about your abuse really confusing. Were you referring to another thread? Those are not my rules or instructions, they're what I understand to be GN rules, but I'm happy to be corrected. Some posters have been banned for breaking GN rules, happily I've not been in that situation.
If you would stop painting anyone who disagrees with you in such a derogatory way the "discussion" could maybe advance.

VioletSky Sun 16-Jan-22 00:51:14

Rosie you just told me I am not allowed to speak of other threads and now you are demanding I do so.

You haven't given me a way forward.

Also, there isn't really any point if we are really honest.

These threads are consistantly turned into exercises in one-upmanship and the importance of our young people growing into healthy happy adults is forgotten

Rosie51 Sun 16-Jan-22 00:48:27

VioletSky

There are so many better ways of expressing that than viewing others as "less" for having a different view.

Viewing others as "less" for being different has always and will always be an example of all the things that are wrong in society and something I will not accept as a feminist.

eh? Sorry I don't understand this post. Are you saying that women haven't historically been seen as "less" than men? That women haven't had to work harder to achieve the same status as men? That the 'glass ceiling' is a fiction? That women didn't have a huge struggle to even achieve equality in the voting franchise? Wow you really are going all out against women! Hope the men appreciate it.

VioletSky Sun 16-Jan-22 00:42:34

There are so many better ways of expressing that than viewing others as "less" for having a different view.

Viewing others as "less" for being different has always and will always be an example of all the things that are wrong in society and something I will not accept as a feminist.

Rosie51 Sun 16-Jan-22 00:38:17

VioletSky

I just really don't understand how you can reasonably call this debate, let alone anywhere near respectful.

I'm done, no more justifying, arguing, defending or explaining from me

So no answers to my questions about when/where these posts you mention were made then? OK if that's how you want to play it.

Rosie51 Sun 16-Jan-22 00:35:36

VS I care about all people but I especially care about the 51% of the population that are women, who start their lives as female babies, grow into female children, then female adolescents, finally reaching maturity as women, adult human females. At every stage in life these females are subject to male dominance. At every stage they have been viewed as 'less than' their male equivalents. The fight for any vestige of equality and fair treatment has been long, hard and demanding of individual and collective suffering. Those of us that appreciate and give gratitude for those who struggled before us would be remiss if we just surrendered those hard fought for rights to any Johnny come lately who thinks they can just walk in and demand them. Male entitlement does not disappear with putting on a frock.
GagaJo I think you'll find it is males under whatever guise they choose that are driving the elimination of any female rights that have been gained. The patriarchy is especially apparent amongst TRAs, even though they are supported by so many handmaidens.

GagaJo Sun 16-Jan-22 00:30:45

Well done for trying, VioletSky. The patriarchy is strong amongst the gender critical.

VioletSky Sun 16-Jan-22 00:25:45

I just really don't understand how you can reasonably call this debate, let alone anywhere near respectful.

I'm done, no more justifying, arguing, defending or explaining from me

Rosie51 Sun 16-Jan-22 00:15:19

VioletSky

My goodness, someone brought my abusive childhood into discussion on a previous post, another agreed and then when I said how low that was and other posters showed even though there was literally one possible context...

Every single person on that side of the debate then allowed it to be glossed over but apparently that's OK if you think you are on the "right" side of the debate so the feelings of the "wrong" don't matter.

I just can't really

So many stones flying from no better fists

It deleted part of my comment

Other posters showed shock and it was then denied even though there was one possible context

This is awful and I'm tired of being part of it just to try and care about all the people

I've missed that on this thread, and even going back I can't find it. Can you link to the times and dates of the posts?

Or are you referring to another thread? I don't think GN like that, threads about a thread. Are you OK you sound very disconnected? I'm sorry but I'm finding it difficult to follow what you're saying. I think most of us care about other people, I really don't think you're unique.

VioletSky Sun 16-Jan-22 00:04:02

It deleted part of my comment

Other posters showed shock and it was then denied even though there was one possible context

This is awful and I'm tired of being part of it just to try and care about all the people

VioletSky Sun 16-Jan-22 00:01:03

My goodness, someone brought my abusive childhood into discussion on a previous post, another agreed and then when I said how low that was and other posters showed even though there was literally one possible context...

Every single person on that side of the debate then allowed it to be glossed over but apparently that's OK if you think you are on the "right" side of the debate so the feelings of the "wrong" don't matter.

I just can't really

So many stones flying from no better fists

Rosie51 Sat 15-Jan-22 23:40:23

trisher

Rosie51 Do you never grow tired of presenting the same old photos? I could post you a photo of a woman with a beard, but quite frankly I cba.

On second thoughts this comment would confirm you think neither Alex Drummond nor Danielle Muscato are women Thanks for your honesty, it's been a very long time coming! Everybody will be able to see when your real thoughts emerged.

Rosie51 Sat 15-Jan-22 23:33:46

trisher

Rosie51 Do you never grow tired of presenting the same old photos? I could post you a photo of a woman with a beard, but quite frankly I cba.

Those people claim to be bonafide transwomen. Are you disputing that claim?

Rosie51 Sat 15-Jan-22 23:32:34

trisher

It just shows the level of debate on here that I can be accused of being obsessed with genitalia (have I mentioned them?) and yet the simple suggestion that actually it is not condusive to good discussion to isolate a single remark, is regarded as insulting. Even Wiki has a basic explanation of using remarks out of context.. So if you are doing that (and as you chose purely to present only my statement and none of the preceding discussion, how can you not be?). I can only draw two possible conclusions either you are doing so unconsciously because you don't understand context, or you are deliberately doing so in order to build a straw man argument. If in choosing the first I have wrongly assessed what is happening I apologise. If you are simply trying to build a straw man argument, then so be it. I feel no need to enter that argument.

Blimey that's a maybe apology worthy of Boris Johnson, you've missed your calling trisher!!!!

trisher Sat 15-Jan-22 23:31:13

Rosie51 Do you never grow tired of presenting the same old photos? I could post you a photo of a woman with a beard, but quite frankly I cba.

trisher Sat 15-Jan-22 23:24:22

It just shows the level of debate on here that I can be accused of being obsessed with genitalia (have I mentioned them?) and yet the simple suggestion that actually it is not condusive to good discussion to isolate a single remark, is regarded as insulting. Even Wiki has a basic explanation of using remarks out of context.. So if you are doing that (and as you chose purely to present only my statement and none of the preceding discussion, how can you not be?). I can only draw two possible conclusions either you are doing so unconsciously because you don't understand context, or you are deliberately doing so in order to build a straw man argument. If in choosing the first I have wrongly assessed what is happening I apologise. If you are simply trying to build a straw man argument, then so be it. I feel no need to enter that argument.

Mollygo Sat 15-Jan-22 23:09:58

Well said Jeanainsworth and Rosie51.
That’s an appalling thing to say trisher and you have no valid basis for it. If you are a decent person you’ll ask for your post to be removed.

Doodledog Sat 15-Jan-22 22:33:32

And you too, Jane.

Doodledog Sat 15-Jan-22 22:33:06

Thank you Rosie.

janeainsworth Sat 15-Jan-22 22:32:14

Trisher If you don't understand taking one quote in a discussion is taking that remark out of context Doodledog I dread to think what sort of academic standards you work by. Still I suppose it is what I have come to expect
That’s the meanest, most disgusting comment I’ve read in the nearly 10 years I’ve been a member of Gransnet.

Rosie51 Sat 15-Jan-22 22:22:25

trisher Those wanting sex on their passports did actually it is sex that is recorded on passports, and always has been. Did you really think that the gender classification on a passport was meant to reflect some internal 'feeling'? I wonder how Pip/Philip Bunce would get on. Would he/she need two depending on whether it was a woman or man day?
There are very few circumstances in everyday life where one needs to prove one's sex, and even fewer where one's personal idea of an internal gender is relevant.
As an aside I think you owe Doodledog an apology. You cast the vile smear alluding to the KKK (later withdrawn) and now you disparage her academic standards. When you resort to gutter remarks it really does show a lack of reasoned reply.