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Transgender people who start hormones as teenagers rather than adults 'have better mental health’

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GagaJo Wed 12-Jan-22 19:49:33

Transgender people who start their hormones as teenagers have “far better” mental health than if they wait until adulthood, new research says.

Experts have found that transgender people who begin hormone treatment in adolescence had fewer suicidal thoughts, were less likely to experience major mental health disorders and had fewer problems with substance abuse than those who started hormones later in life.

The study, which was led by the Stanford University School of Medicine, gathered data from the largest-ever survey of US transgender adults where 27,715 people responded in 2015.

Researchers found that, as well as fewer mental health concerns when taking the drugs as teenagers, those who took the drugs at any age had better mental health than those who wanted them but had never received them.

Of the people surveyed, 21,598 reported they had received the hormones they wanted. Of these people, 119 began hormones at age 14 or 15; 362 at age 16 and 17 and 12,157 following their 18th birthday.

Some 8,860 people surveyed said they wanted but never received hormone therapy and acted as the control group for the study.

Odds of severe psychological distress were reduced by 222 per cent, 153 per cent and 81 per cent for those who began hormones in early adolescence, late adolescence and adulthood, respectively.

Odds of feeling suicidal in the previous year were 135 per cent lower in those who began hormones in early adolescence, 62 per cent lower in those who began in late adolescence and 21 per cent lower in those who began as adults, compared with the control group.

Dr Jack Turban, lead author on the study and expert in paediatric and adolescent psychiatry at Stanford Medicine, said: “This study is particularly relevant now because many state legislatures are introducing bills that would outlaw this kind of care for transgender youth.

“We are adding to the evidence base that shows why gender-affirming care is beneficial from a mental health perspective.”

In the UK, hormone drugs can only be given to people from the age of 16 who have been on puberty blockers for at least 12 months.

Last September, the UK Court of Appeal overturned a judgment that children under the age of 16 considering gender reassignment were unlikely to be mature enough to give informed consent to be prescribed puberty-blocking drugs.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/transgender-hormones-teenager-mental-health-b1991724.html

trisher Sat 15-Jan-22 15:32:29

Galaxy

If I gave you a list of people you would generally be able to correctly sex them (sorry that sounds weird) no matter how they presented. So if say David Cameron presented in a dress and makeup you would still be able to identify him as a man.

Galaxy I think you need a night out with the Ladyboys of Bangkok. It's not something I would usually recommend but really? You imagine you can always tell???? www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF4M3eu_gMk

Galaxy Sat 15-Jan-22 15:32:09

Christ yes Violet grin

Galaxy Sat 15-Jan-22 15:31:26

You mentioned that it was a gender term. I was explaining that I reject gender so I am not interested in using terms that reinforce gender. All the terms such as dressing like a woman do this and I was pointing out that I wont be involved in that and will always challenge it. In the way that I would challenge stereotypes about gay men, or people with disabilities for example.

VioletSky Sat 15-Jan-22 15:28:52

Galaxy

I am not attracted to peoples gender I am attracted to their sex.

Does their appearance matter to you at all? If they have a penis, they are a male and that's enough?

trisher Sat 15-Jan-22 15:22:23

Galaxy

We think gender is deeply oppressive trisher. I reject gender. I think the phrases living like a woman are from the 1950s and as you mentioned were created by the very academic men you seem to have a problem with.

we think gender is deeply oppressive trisher the inference being that I completely support it.
It's one you have used before this concept that because I recognise gender norms I in some way support them. It's a straw man argument and it's a slur.
That's apart from it's complete irrelevance of course. Introducing sex differentiation will in fact make gender norms more oppressive.

VioletSky Sat 15-Jan-22 15:22:12

Galaxy

If I gave you a list of people you would generally be able to correctly sex them (sorry that sounds weird) no matter how they presented. So if say David Cameron presented in a dress and makeup you would still be able to identify him as a man.

I mean, have you seen what good makeup can do?

Well, we do have to sex many animals by looking at their bits...

Human beings aren't confortable with that so they present the way they want to be perceived rather than flashing the bits

Galaxy Sat 15-Jan-22 15:21:36

I am not attracted to peoples gender I am attracted to their sex.

Galaxy Sat 15-Jan-22 15:19:35

If I gave you a list of people you would generally be able to correctly sex them (sorry that sounds weird) no matter how they presented. So if say David Cameron presented in a dress and makeup you would still be able to identify him as a man.

VioletSky Sat 15-Jan-22 15:18:39

Galaxy

Its precisely because sex over rides gender presentation that people generally do know. So it's how I know that for example Julian Clary is a man despite the fact that he frequently presents in what would be considered a feminine way. So the clothes the presentation is irrelevant.

This is why pronouns matter

VioletSky Sat 15-Jan-22 15:17:33

OK, well, some people who have taken pride in their appearance may be upset by being called "sir" as one example.

You can argue that gender is a societal construct created by men but:

The truth is, some men just abused it.

We still need to negotiate how to have relationships with other people, who we are attracted too, what places or apps we use to meet life partners etc

Unless we walk around with our genitals on display and a flashing sign indicating our sexuality then appearance and gender is always going to matter in society and its always going to drive how we express ourselves and how we perceive each other and who we are attracted too.

We can do that AND eradicate sexism.

Galaxy Sat 15-Jan-22 15:16:29

Its precisely because sex over rides gender presentation that people generally do know. So it's how I know that for example Julian Clary is a man despite the fact that he frequently presents in what would be considered a feminine way. So the clothes the presentation is irrelevant.

Galaxy Sat 15-Jan-22 15:13:30

Sorry what slur did I use?

trisher Sat 15-Jan-22 15:12:03

Galaxy

Sorry but everyone knew. Women pretended in order to be kind.

Sorry Galaxy but can you explain to me how the women knew and were being kind if not by the very gender norms you say you object to?
It seems to me that the anti-transwomen are so desperate they will try to have both sides of the argument. In doing so they are willing to call people who support transpeople any sort of slur they can lay their hands on. Which proves I suppose how desperate they are.
For the record I abhor gender norms. However I recognise that most of society operates using them. Ideally they would not exist and I think that is one of the reasons many young people are choosing to be non-binary. However this idea that designating people by sex would somehow remove them is just plain ridiculous. Once you start saying these people are women and those people aren't you bring in judgement values, executing those judgements requires either, that every single person carries with them at all times documentary evidence of their sex, or you judge by appearance - by gender norms. You may find one or other of those acceptable. Personally I dislike both. I would far rather have transwomen accepted as women and the norms for women expended than have women stopped and challenged to prove their sex, because all that would result from such challenges would be women conforming to a passable more restrictive gender norm.

Galaxy Sat 15-Jan-22 15:11:26

And they wouldnt be misgendering me as I reject gender. They would be getting my sex wrong.

Galaxy Sat 15-Jan-22 15:08:39

I wouldnt care less violet. Honestly it wouldnt impact me at all.
That's the point we are making violet, it's why living as a woman is nonsense because there is no set way to live as a woman.

VioletSky Sat 15-Jan-22 15:00:18

Galaxy

Are you suggesting men should define us by what we wear?

That's an assumption

What I am saying is, I am a woman and want others to know this fact about me and there are incredibly diverse ways to do this that don't put me in any box.

Would you feel comfortable if you were misgendered by someone?

Galaxy Sat 15-Jan-22 14:51:59

Are you suggesting men should define us by what we wear?

Galaxy Sat 15-Jan-22 14:49:09

Whst you have described sounds like your personality violet. And probably you choose to express yourself differently to me. So how can what you seem to be talking about mean woman when it would only apply to you. Not sure I have expressed that clearly.

VioletSky Sat 15-Jan-22 14:46:21

I actually understand that men have and continue to use gender as a box to put woman in that is labelled with definitions of how a woman should think and act in order to be one.

But woman for me is how I express myself and part of my individual whole, unboxed, defined by myself, not men.

Also it is important when we have those who want to identify as one gender or the other or, to not identify as any gender at all, to have the means to do so as a means to express their individuality.

Do away with gender and some men will still define us based on our sex, some men will still have expectations based on the organs under our clothes and actually it will make no difference but to reduce us further.

I have already seen many sexist men refer to women as "females", then continue to explain their sexual expectations of us, because they can get everything they need elsewhere and the only thing we are good for is sex. I'd point you to the forums that back this up but they have been removed, and thank goodness for that.

Doodledog Sat 15-Jan-22 14:42:26

Galaxy

The middle one looks like they are doing hard maths doodle so I think they are a man wink

?

Galaxy Sat 15-Jan-22 14:37:07

The middle one looks like they are doing hard maths doodle so I think they are a man wink

Doodledog Sat 15-Jan-22 14:34:27

Galaxy

We think gender is deeply oppressive trisher. I reject gender. I think the phrases living like a woman are from the 1950s and as you mentioned were created by the very academic men you seem to have a problem with.

Which of these people is 'presenting as a woman'?

Doodledog Sat 15-Jan-22 14:29:34

Hang on. So now it is not the case that the word 'woman' has always included men? But that's because men wrote the dictionaries.

Well, the second point is undoubtedly true, but the first point has taken a swift U turn since you insisted it had been used as a unisex word from the get go. Talk about blowing with the wind.

And 100% yes to your last post, Galaxy. 95% of the time (approximate number, based on purely anecdotal evidence ?) it really doesn't matter. But when it matters, it matters. And it usually matters far more to women than to men, which is why it is a feminist matter.

Sorry for all the matters?

Galaxy Sat 15-Jan-22 14:26:55

We think gender is deeply oppressive trisher. I reject gender. I think the phrases living like a woman are from the 1950s and as you mentioned were created by the very academic men you seem to have a problem with.

Galaxy Sat 15-Jan-22 14:23:42

Well no because in lots of situations we dont differentiate between the sexes, if I am having a conversation about what to make for tea with my brother and my sister I dont differentiate between their sexes. How people present is irrelevant frequently.
However If my brother says he would like to join a womans sports team then I would differentiate.