Princess Grace hospital cancelled vital surgery for woman who requested single-sex care

Ah, I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm

Yay me

VioletSky

So much is baffling, I read recently about men disguising themselves as women to get into woman's toilets to install cameras etc

Given the amount of effort required to masquerade as a woman, these men must be incredibly stupid because it would be far easier to chuck on a toolbelt and walk in with a toilet plunger

I know. Like the expose of men that had joined the Police Force in order to gain access to victims. They must be stupid to go to all that trouble when all they had to do was just select victims. As Nicola Sturgeon has asserted, no man is going to go to the enormous effort of making a statutory declaration to self ID as a woman just to gain access to potential victims. The very idea is ludicrous 🙄 No man has ever joined the scouts, teaching, religion, child protection etc because it gave him access to child victims, perish the thought!

Still with the ever increasing creep of gender neutral facilities they won't even need a toolbelt and plunger, just come on in chaps, set up your cameras!

So much is baffling, I read recently about men disguising themselves as women to get into woman's toilets to install cameras etc

Given the amount of effort required to masquerade as a woman, these men must be incredibly stupid because it would be far easier to chuck on a toolbelt and walk in with a toilet plunger

Mollygo

VioletSky

That's all I will say

I fear not.

Why would you?

I was responding to a different comment and it wasn't about you or anyone here

Google the news story about it

It does Glorianny and odd that someone would describe it happening & involving such an unusual looking person, since it could surely be easily disproved if untrue.

growstuff

*And if someones fear is trans people and they don't apply that fear to men then possibly some sort of self reflection is in order*

"Self-reflection" is a polite way of putting it!

The whole point is that transwomen are men.
They may be men who have gender dysphoria or they may be men pretending to be women for reasons of their own.
No-one can know which type any man is.

VioletSky

That's all I will say

I fear not.

Regardless of the gender I would have imagined a private hospital would have some means of indicating when a room was occupied. When my mum was in A&E she was pushed for a short time into a small room. The door was constantly opened by people looking for space. It didn't matter because we were just awaiting test results., but it isn't behaviour I would expect in a private hospital. Seems very odd that anyone shouldjust walk in.

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That's all I will say

Self reflection and personal growth

Everyone is capable if they can let go of the need to be right

The things that were taught to me in my family... urgh

There is a better way and it is far less stressful not being offended by everything all the time lol

It took me a few bored hours to find out - I'm sure you could do the same.

FarNorth

Whatever the facts of who was there when, the hospital dealt with it very badly.

Who is the 'known anti-trans troll'?

I don't think GN rules allow me to name. She's a poster on Mumsnet, where she has a little clique, and other sites and possibly reading this.

And if someones fear is trans people and they don't apply that fear to men then possibly some sort of self reflection is in order

"Self-reflection" is a polite way of putting it!

Many do not- so I am very impressed and grateful.

No worries, live and learn

VioletSky

Fleurpepper

VioletSky ''Fleurpepper, would you accept "women in islam"''

no, I wouldn't. Because it is exactly the same as 'Muslim women'. As explained, there are just as many ways of being a Muslim, or a Muslim woman, as there is of being a Christian one. And anyone who is not 'au fait' with CofE, for instance, or Christianity, could read the First Testaments and other bits, and be horrified at what women are asked to do. Same in Orthodox Jewism.

My comments are trying to show that they are diverse and individual and not a same thinking mass

I see your point though

It's not an issue that's been pointed out to me before and it's something I'm used to hearing in my circles

I'll work on it

Thank you.

Smileless2012

We will have to wait for the investigations findings to know what happened. To know of there was a trans nurse on duty that day who appeared at door of the patient's room. To know if not a trans nurse, if there was a man in a blonde wig wearing bright red lipstick who was responsible or, if the incident never happened and is a figment of the imagination.

That does not though detract from the opinions being expressed here that if a woman requests female only carers and this is not possible, she should be told so. Likewise she should be told if one of her carers is going to be a trans woman, regardless of whether or not she would know by their appearance.

I agree except two things

1. There should be a polite way to request a woman who isn't trans (I won't suggest any or they will be shut down)

2. A hospital cannot discriminate when hiring and even if they do, not hiring the best person for the job endangers the general public. Some hospitals may make provisions for women who want female only care but they can still only work with the facilities and staff they actually have

So simply asking for the care you want before beginning that process and seeing who can accommodate you is probably the sensible thing to do and if they cannot accommodate you, I suppose that's a choice

But I have to say I've never been given a choice when booking any kind of medical procedure and I haven't tested the waters by asking

And if someones fear is trans people and they don't apply that fear to men then possibly some sort of self reflection is in order

I agree FarNorth, the hospital has dealt with it badly; maybe lessons will be learned.

Fleurpepper

VioletSky ''Fleurpepper, would you accept "women in islam"''

no, I wouldn't. Because it is exactly the same as 'Muslim women'. As explained, there are just as many ways of being a Muslim, or a Muslim woman, as there is of being a Christian one. And anyone who is not 'au fait' with CofE, for instance, or Christianity, could read the First Testaments and other bits, and be horrified at what women are asked to do. Same in Orthodox Jewism.

My comments are trying to show that they are diverse and individual and not a same thinking mass

I see your point though

It's not an issue that's been pointed out to me before and it's something I'm used to hearing in my circles

I'll work on it

Whatever the facts of who was there when, the hospital dealt with it very badly.

Who is the 'known anti-trans troll'?

We will have to wait for the investigations findings to know what happened. To know of there was a trans nurse on duty that day who appeared at door of the patient's room. To know if not a trans nurse, if there was a man in a blonde wig wearing bright red lipstick who was responsible or, if the incident never happened and is a figment of the imagination.

That does not though detract from the opinions being expressed here that if a woman requests female only carers and this is not possible, she should be told so. Likewise she should be told if one of her carers is going to be a trans woman, regardless of whether or not she would know by their appearance.

Smileless2012

I suspect VS that your post which says "I wouldn't have to challenge a person who brought religion into the chat while knowing nothing about it" was directed at me.

If this is the case, the first person to introduce religion was you on Monday @ 20.57 when you made a reference to Christianity.

The introduction of religion and racism has muddied the waters as this thread is about neither.

Actually it wasn't directed at you

Technically it wasn't directed at anyone

But I didn't think it was you if that help

VioletSky ''Fleurpepper, would you accept "women in islam"''

no, I wouldn't. Because it is exactly the same as 'Muslim women'. As explained, there are just as many ways of being a Muslim, or a Muslim woman, as there is of being a Christian one. And anyone who is not 'au fait' with CofE, for instance, or Christianity, could read the First Testaments and other bits, and be horrified at what women are asked to do. Same in Orthodox Jewism.

I suspect VS that your post which says "I wouldn't have to challenge a person who brought religion into the chat while knowing nothing about it" was directed at me.

If this is the case, the first person to introduce religion was you on Monday @ 20.57 when you made a reference to Christianity.

The introduction of religion and racism has muddied the waters as this thread is about neither.

Is there evidence that shows that happened or are we taking someone's word for it without enquiry when her own evidence already contradicts her?