Princess Grace hospital cancelled vital surgery for woman who requested single-sex care

VioletSky

I think this woman is full of it frankly

Well that puts a fair number of posts into context🙄

Really, I think the evidence is quite clear that an authorised person entered her room without permission and then left without any reason for being there. If a member of staff then against recognised medical protocols. Font then a shocking breach of security.

FarNorth

The person who looked into the room was described as a young man wearing a blonde wig and full evening make-up.
Paddyann your trans friends may not look like that, but this person did.

That person doesn't sound like nursing staff I'd expect to see on duty anywhere.

If the person wasn't medical staff, they shouldn't have been opening the door at all.

But how did she know it was a man??? As explained before, women do look a bit strange sometimes, and are not all feminine.

FarNorth

I don't need to study intersectional feminism to know that men aren't women .

You sort of do if you think that's all there is to it

Or you dont fully understand that feminism matters to women who are different to you and their struggles matter as well.

If you aren't going to go and hold up religion as an excuse to allow men power and control over women, and understand that it can be interpreted differently by women who have the right to do that, anyway

I would guess that if thinks she has a solid case she will sue but the evidence shared seems to go against her

Lathyrus

growstuff

Fleurpepper

What if she had been attacked by a black woman, or a Jewish man, or a Chinese?

I meant, it is possible to make specific requests, perhaps, in extreme circumstances. But the health services are so stretched, with a great shortage of qualified staff, it is not possible to guarantee what happens on the day.

It's a private hospital. It sounds as though this woman thought her money could buy exactly what she demanded.

I agree with Visgirl that there's more to this story.

Putting aside the moral Euston for the moment.

If we pay for something most of us expect to get what we paid for I suppose.

If the hospital took her money with the agreement that it would be all female staff, that’s what they should have provided. If they couldn’t provide it on the specified day did they breach their contract?

Is selling private medicine is the same as selling anything else?

You don’t pay for a procedure until you’ve had it.

I see from the article that she’s a retired Lawyer so I wonder if she’ll sue the hospital.

I think this woman is full of it frankly

There was a possible breach of procedure. However, rather than do what any reasonable person would do and have a word with somebody, she contacted a known anti-trans troll with fundamentalist anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-abortion views, whose views aren't remotely feminist and threatened the hospital with legal action.

FarNorth

The person who looked into the room was described as a young man wearing a blonde wig and full evening make-up.
Paddyann your trans friends may not look like that, but this person did.

That person doesn't sound like nursing staff I'd expect to see on duty anywhere.

If the person wasn't medical staff, they shouldn't have been opening the door at all.

No, Teresa Steele claimed it was a man dressed in a wig and wearing bright red lipstick. I must admit I find it a little strange that any hospital would allow anybody on duty to dress like Lily Savage.

I don't need to study intersectional feminism to know that men aren't women .

The person who looked into the room was described as a young man wearing a blonde wig and full evening make-up.
Paddyann your trans friends may not look like that, but this person did.

That person doesn't sound like nursing staff I'd expect to see on duty anywhere.

If the person wasn't medical staff, they shouldn't have been opening the door at all.

Glorianny

I wonder though how far should this individual choice be taken? If women are entitled to ask for only female staff should a man be entitled to ask for only male staff ,or a transperson for only trans staff? Wouldn't anything else be favouring one section of society?

Anyone can ask for anything they want.
If it can't be provided, that should be explained politely to them.
That did not happen in this instance .

Maybe if people read more about intersextional feminism they would understand what women from other demographics to themselves go through and I wouldn't have had to challenge a person who brought religion into the chat while knowing nothing about it

Or pretending I meant something else

Lathyrus

Hmm, the conflating Islam/Muslim with Iran or saying it’s the culture of the country and stuff like that only shows how ignorant and prejudiced people are and how they construe the actions of some as representative of a demographic.

Even though nobody must do that for trans posters do it for Muslims🙄🤔

Of course, Islam is a worldwide religion with a range of practice.
I was told to Google a website about an abuse in one part of the world.
Can I suggest Googling rather wider than just sites that reinforce prejudices to get a more informed view.

If you cannot understand what I have been trying to say that's your problem, don't make it mine by pretending to misunderstand what I was trying to explain

paddyann54

She wasn't treated by a transwoman and its only her perception that a nurse who looked into her room is trans.
She must be a very clever woman to recognise a transwoman in a couple of seconds .
I know several transexual people and if I didn't know them from before the became trans theres no way I would know from looking at them even for a lot longer than a few seconds.
Her stupid remark "she looked at me " sounds like a teenage classmate of my daughters who punched her for no reason except "she looked at me" Since when has it been a crime to look in a doorway to see if the doctor your looking for is in the room.Or even to check if its occupied
This woman has real problems , she needs help .To endanger her health over this is beyond belief .
Everyone is entitled to live their lives without this bigotry from people who cant move forward with the world and expect everything to stay the same as it was /as they believe it was decades or centuries ago .The vast majority of people just want to get on with their life ...trans or not

It may not be a crime to enter uninvited into a patients room by it is very poor practice, ignoring the procedures that are there to ensure patient dignity and privacy.

It is questionable when the patient is being attended to and there is no reason whatsoever for the person who entered to be there, whoever they are.

And being looked at in certain ways, with certain facial gestures can be very, very upsetting indeed. As most women will verify.

I really think you are belittling her experience as a female and a patient, which are both circumstances can be a real part of feeling vunerable and threatened.

Hmm, the conflating Islam/Muslim with Iran or saying it’s the culture of the country and stuff like that only shows how ignorant and prejudiced people are and how they construe the actions of some as representative of a demographic.

Even though nobody must do that for trans posters do it for Muslims🙄🤔

Of course, Islam is a worldwide religion with a range of practice.
I was told to Google a website about an abuse in one part of the world.
Can I suggest Googling rather wider than just sites that reinforce prejudices to get a more informed view.

As I mentioned in social care for intimate care we always ensured female staff provided that firm of care and tried very hard to ensure that also applied to men but this was more difficult because of numbers of Male staff.

She wasn't treated by a transwoman and its only her perception that a nurse who looked into her room is trans.
She must be a very clever woman to recognise a transwoman in a couple of seconds .
I know several transexual people and if I didn't know them from before the became trans theres no way I would know from looking at them even for a lot longer than a few seconds.
Her stupid remark "she looked at me " sounds like a teenage classmate of my daughters who punched her for no reason except "she looked at me" Since when has it been a crime to look in a doorway to see if the doctor your looking for is in the room.Or even to check if its occupied
This woman has real problems , she needs help .To endanger her health over this is beyond belief .
Everyone is entitled to live their lives without this bigotry from people who cant move forward with the world and expect everything to stay the same as it was /as they believe it was decades or centuries ago .The vast majority of people just want to get on with their life ...trans or not

In an ideal world, it would be about respecting the choice of each individual.

Obviously, there isn't a huge staff base, waiting for someone to specify who they want to tend to them, but for intimate exams, and such, everyone should have a choice. (Whether they do or not is a different matter)

Glorianny

I wonder though how far should this individual choice be taken? If women are entitled to ask for only female staff should a man be entitled to ask for only male staff ,or a transperson for only trans staff? Wouldn't anything else be favouring one section of society?

I've wondered that too. However, it's almost impossible for a man to receive male care, given that the majority of GPs, nurses and care workers are female.

Doodledog

growstuff

Nobody in this case has tried to pass off any male-bodied staff member as female.

Oh good grief! You can’t still be misunderstanding the fact that (as has been said a hundred times) I am talking in principle not about ‘the case’.

A cynic might think you were avoiding the question.

I'm not misunderstanding anything. There have been loads of threads on GN about gender identity, in which I rarely participate.

On this thread, I've been more interested in the OP and I've traced it back, as I usually do with any second-hand source.

I'm more interested in how it has developed and been stirred in the media by an individual (not the patient) with a specific agenda. It's fascinating to track how people fall for claims which are untrue because they reinforce their own beliefs.

I'll leave you to your principles.

I wonder though how far should this individual choice be taken? If women are entitled to ask for only female staff should a man be entitled to ask for only male staff ,or a transperson for only trans staff? Wouldn't anything else be favouring one section of society?

If a request is made for female staff, but that is not possible, it should be explained honestly and without comparing the patient's beliefs unfavourably with those of the hospital administrators - as happened in this instance.

No-one can change sex.
Everyone should be honest about that.
People can then make their own decisions based on the honest information they receive.

Is that difficult?