Princess Grace hospital cancelled vital surgery for woman who requested single-sex care

In an ideal world, it would be about respecting the choice of each individual.

Obviously, there isn't a huge staff base, waiting for someone to specify who they want to tend to them, but for intimate exams, and such, everyone should have a choice. (Whether they do or not is a different matter)

She wasn't treated by a transwoman and its only her perception that a nurse who looked into her room is trans.
She must be a very clever woman to recognise a transwoman in a couple of seconds .
I know several transexual people and if I didn't know them from before the became trans theres no way I would know from looking at them even for a lot longer than a few seconds.
Her stupid remark "she looked at me " sounds like a teenage classmate of my daughters who punched her for no reason except "she looked at me" Since when has it been a crime to look in a doorway to see if the doctor your looking for is in the room.Or even to check if its occupied
This woman has real problems , she needs help .To endanger her health over this is beyond belief .
Everyone is entitled to live their lives without this bigotry from people who cant move forward with the world and expect everything to stay the same as it was /as they believe it was decades or centuries ago .The vast majority of people just want to get on with their life ...trans or not

As I mentioned in social care for intimate care we always ensured female staff provided that firm of care and tried very hard to ensure that also applied to men but this was more difficult because of numbers of Male staff.

Hmm, the conflating Islam/Muslim with Iran or saying it’s the culture of the country and stuff like that only shows how ignorant and prejudiced people are and how they construe the actions of some as representative of a demographic.

Even though nobody must do that for trans posters do it for Muslims🙄🤔

Of course, Islam is a worldwide religion with a range of practice.
I was told to Google a website about an abuse in one part of the world.
Can I suggest Googling rather wider than just sites that reinforce prejudices to get a more informed view.

paddyann54

She wasn't treated by a transwoman and its only her perception that a nurse who looked into her room is trans.
She must be a very clever woman to recognise a transwoman in a couple of seconds .
I know several transexual people and if I didn't know them from before the became trans theres no way I would know from looking at them even for a lot longer than a few seconds.
Her stupid remark "she looked at me " sounds like a teenage classmate of my daughters who punched her for no reason except "she looked at me" Since when has it been a crime to look in a doorway to see if the doctor your looking for is in the room.Or even to check if its occupied
This woman has real problems , she needs help .To endanger her health over this is beyond belief .
Everyone is entitled to live their lives without this bigotry from people who cant move forward with the world and expect everything to stay the same as it was /as they believe it was decades or centuries ago .The vast majority of people just want to get on with their life ...trans or not

It may not be a crime to enter uninvited into a patients room by it is very poor practice, ignoring the procedures that are there to ensure patient dignity and privacy.

It is questionable when the patient is being attended to and there is no reason whatsoever for the person who entered to be there, whoever they are.

And being looked at in certain ways, with certain facial gestures can be very, very upsetting indeed. As most women will verify.

I really think you are belittling her experience as a female and a patient, which are both circumstances can be a real part of feeling vunerable and threatened.

Lathyrus

Hmm, the conflating Islam/Muslim with Iran or saying it’s the culture of the country and stuff like that only shows how ignorant and prejudiced people are and how they construe the actions of some as representative of a demographic.

Even though nobody must do that for trans posters do it for Muslims🙄🤔

Of course, Islam is a worldwide religion with a range of practice.
I was told to Google a website about an abuse in one part of the world.
Can I suggest Googling rather wider than just sites that reinforce prejudices to get a more informed view.

If you cannot understand what I have been trying to say that's your problem, don't make it mine by pretending to misunderstand what I was trying to explain

Or pretending I meant something else

Maybe if people read more about intersextional feminism they would understand what women from other demographics to themselves go through and I wouldn't have had to challenge a person who brought religion into the chat while knowing nothing about it

Glorianny

I wonder though how far should this individual choice be taken? If women are entitled to ask for only female staff should a man be entitled to ask for only male staff ,or a transperson for only trans staff? Wouldn't anything else be favouring one section of society?

Anyone can ask for anything they want.
If it can't be provided, that should be explained politely to them.
That did not happen in this instance .

The person who looked into the room was described as a young man wearing a blonde wig and full evening make-up.
Paddyann your trans friends may not look like that, but this person did.

That person doesn't sound like nursing staff I'd expect to see on duty anywhere.

If the person wasn't medical staff, they shouldn't have been opening the door at all.

I don't need to study intersectional feminism to know that men aren't women .

FarNorth

The person who looked into the room was described as a young man wearing a blonde wig and full evening make-up.
Paddyann your trans friends may not look like that, but this person did.

That person doesn't sound like nursing staff I'd expect to see on duty anywhere.

If the person wasn't medical staff, they shouldn't have been opening the door at all.

No, Teresa Steele claimed it was a man dressed in a wig and wearing bright red lipstick. I must admit I find it a little strange that any hospital would allow anybody on duty to dress like Lily Savage.

There was a possible breach of procedure. However, rather than do what any reasonable person would do and have a word with somebody, she contacted a known anti-trans troll with fundamentalist anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-abortion views, whose views aren't remotely feminist and threatened the hospital with legal action.

I think this woman is full of it frankly

Lathyrus

growstuff

Fleurpepper

What if she had been attacked by a black woman, or a Jewish man, or a Chinese?

I meant, it is possible to make specific requests, perhaps, in extreme circumstances. But the health services are so stretched, with a great shortage of qualified staff, it is not possible to guarantee what happens on the day.

It's a private hospital. It sounds as though this woman thought her money could buy exactly what she demanded.

I agree with Visgirl that there's more to this story.

Putting aside the moral Euston for the moment.

If we pay for something most of us expect to get what we paid for I suppose.

If the hospital took her money with the agreement that it would be all female staff, that’s what they should have provided. If they couldn’t provide it on the specified day did they breach their contract?

Is selling private medicine is the same as selling anything else?

You don’t pay for a procedure until you’ve had it.

I see from the article that she’s a retired Lawyer so I wonder if she’ll sue the hospital.

I would guess that if thinks she has a solid case she will sue but the evidence shared seems to go against her

FarNorth

I don't need to study intersectional feminism to know that men aren't women .

You sort of do if you think that's all there is to it

Or you dont fully understand that feminism matters to women who are different to you and their struggles matter as well.

If you aren't going to go and hold up religion as an excuse to allow men power and control over women, and understand that it can be interpreted differently by women who have the right to do that, anyway

FarNorth

The person who looked into the room was described as a young man wearing a blonde wig and full evening make-up.
Paddyann your trans friends may not look like that, but this person did.

That person doesn't sound like nursing staff I'd expect to see on duty anywhere.

If the person wasn't medical staff, they shouldn't have been opening the door at all.

But how did she know it was a man??? As explained before, women do look a bit strange sometimes, and are not all feminine.

Really, I think the evidence is quite clear that an authorised person entered her room without permission and then left without any reason for being there. If a member of staff then against recognised medical protocols. Font then a shocking breach of security.

VioletSky

I think this woman is full of it frankly

Well that puts a fair number of posts into context🙄

Is there evidence that shows that happened or are we taking someone's word for it without enquiry when her own evidence already contradicts her?

I suspect VS that your post which says "I wouldn't have to challenge a person who brought religion into the chat while knowing nothing about it" was directed at me.

If this is the case, the first person to introduce religion was you on Monday @ 20.57 when you made a reference to Christianity.

The introduction of religion and racism has muddied the waters as this thread is about neither.

VioletSky ''Fleurpepper, would you accept "women in islam"''

no, I wouldn't. Because it is exactly the same as 'Muslim women'. As explained, there are just as many ways of being a Muslim, or a Muslim woman, as there is of being a Christian one. And anyone who is not 'au fait' with CofE, for instance, or Christianity, could read the First Testaments and other bits, and be horrified at what women are asked to do. Same in Orthodox Jewism.

Smileless2012

I suspect VS that your post which says "I wouldn't have to challenge a person who brought religion into the chat while knowing nothing about it" was directed at me.

If this is the case, the first person to introduce religion was you on Monday @ 20.57 when you made a reference to Christianity.

The introduction of religion and racism has muddied the waters as this thread is about neither.

Actually it wasn't directed at you

Technically it wasn't directed at anyone

But I didn't think it was you if that help

We will have to wait for the investigations findings to know what happened. To know of there was a trans nurse on duty that day who appeared at door of the patient's room. To know if not a trans nurse, if there was a man in a blonde wig wearing bright red lipstick who was responsible or, if the incident never happened and is a figment of the imagination.

That does not though detract from the opinions being expressed here that if a woman requests female only carers and this is not possible, she should be told so. Likewise she should be told if one of her carers is going to be a trans woman, regardless of whether or not she would know by their appearance.