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Princess Grace hospital cancelled vital surgery for woman who requested single-sex care

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FarNorth Mon 31-Oct-22 15:01:30

Princess Grace hospital cancelled vital surgery for a woman who requested female-only staff and would not accept a transwoman nurse as female.

After many, many complaints from individuals HCA Healthcare UK (owner of Princess Grace Hospital) has now offered the surgery involving female-only staff, at its Wellington Hospital in London on October 31 .

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growstuff Mon 31-Oct-22 20:25:37

Smileless2012

Well unless growstuff can support her claim on the previous page that a request for female only staff be in attendance was not made, it looks as if needs were made clear but not adhered too.

Do you want to me to post a link to all her emails and letters?

It's a long read. They don't do the patient any favours.

growstuff Mon 31-Oct-22 20:24:30

Lathyrus

growstuff

Lathyrus

I’m afraid you just can’t get past that unauthorised entry unless the member of staff can give a good reason for it.

It’s just not professional.

I agree. The hospital needs to investigate that, but it's absolutely nothing to do with whether the nurse was male, female, trans or a Martian! The woman sounds like an unhinged and entitled trouble-maker.

I totally agree with the first two sentences.

I hope the investigation is not as biased against the patient though as your last sentence.

And perhaps the member of staff was also acting like an entitled trouble maker?

A head to head perhaps?

No, I expect the hospital is professional, although it won't stop them having private thoughts.

Smileless2012 Mon 31-Oct-22 20:22:59

Well unless growstuff can support her claim on the previous page that a request for female only staff be in attendance was not made, it looks as if needs were made clear but not adhered too.

Ladyleftfieldlover Mon 31-Oct-22 20:22:39

Blimey. I’ve just read through this thread and it’s exhausting!

growstuff Mon 31-Oct-22 20:21:59

Lathyrus

VioletSky

Oops we are back to inspecting genitals so we know who is trans or not again

No hopefully we’re back to whether a member of medical staff should follow hospital procedure.

Somebody entered a room without authorisation. The rest is a storm in a teacup.

growstuff Mon 31-Oct-22 20:20:02

Lathyrus

Surely nobody would defend deliberately going against rules designed to protect patients just because the person doing that was trans?

It’s beginning to sound a bit like that from some posters.

Who's defending anybody?

Th hospital is investigating.

growstuff Mon 31-Oct-22 20:19:14

Smileless2012

^Because I have no proof that this nurse was trans^ and presumably growstuff you have no proof that this nurse wasn't trans.

You're right. I have absolutely no idea which is why I wrote "allegedly". The only person who has alleged the nurse was trans was "Teresa", who wrote in an email "When I came in for a pre-surgical exam today, a creepy man in drag came into my exam room for a moment, uninvited, and looked at me".

She later wrote directly to the hospital "A young male in what appeared to be a blonde wig, wearing full evening make-up including bright scarlet lipstick peered at me."

For all I know this could have been somebody undergoing chemo or an alopecia sufferer.

VioletSky Mon 31-Oct-22 20:17:47

Wouldn't it be nice to actually know what happened before we jump to assumptions about it all anyway

As I said

Respectfully making needs clear would probably have avoided the whole issue

So there is that

volver Mon 31-Oct-22 20:16:31

2 + 2 = 5 again.

Lathyrus Mon 31-Oct-22 20:15:58

Surely nobody would defend deliberately going against rules designed to protect patients just because the person doing that was trans?

It’s beginning to sound a bit like that from some posters.

Smileless2012 Mon 31-Oct-22 20:14:48

We can only hope Lathyrus.

Lathyrus Mon 31-Oct-22 20:12:51

VioletSky

Oops we are back to inspecting genitals so we know who is trans or not again

No hopefully we’re back to whether a member of medical staff should follow hospital procedure.

LizzieDrip Mon 31-Oct-22 20:12:15

Oh it just gets better. This is the best trans thread for ages.

Volver grin

Lathyrus Mon 31-Oct-22 20:11:50

Oh unless you meant the member of staff anyway. Which woman?

Lathyrus Mon 31-Oct-22 20:11:01

growstuff

Lathyrus

I’m afraid you just can’t get past that unauthorised entry unless the member of staff can give a good reason for it.

It’s just not professional.

I agree. The hospital needs to investigate that, but it's absolutely nothing to do with whether the nurse was male, female, trans or a Martian! The woman sounds like an unhinged and entitled trouble-maker.

I totally agree with the first two sentences.

I hope the investigation is not as biased against the patient though as your last sentence.

And perhaps the member of staff was also acting like an entitled trouble maker?

A head to head perhaps?

LadyHonoriaDedlock Mon 31-Oct-22 20:09:57

It was a private hospital. If it was the NHS, which runs on need, I'm sure they would say that you get the nursing care that's available and that if you can afford to make demands about who provides it then your surgery can't be as vital as all that.

Same as you get the surgery date you are assigned. If you think you can change it to avoid your holidays or that important business meeting then it can't be all that urgent.

VioletSky Mon 31-Oct-22 20:08:54

Oops we are back to inspecting genitals so we know who is trans or not again

volver Mon 31-Oct-22 20:08:27

Smileless2012

^Because I have no proof that this nurse was trans^ and presumably growstuff you have no proof that this nurse wasn't trans.

Oh it just gets better.

This is the best trans thread for ages.

😉

Smileless2012 Mon 31-Oct-22 20:07:21

Because I have no proof that this nurse was trans and presumably growstuff you have no proof that this nurse wasn't trans.

Lathyrus Mon 31-Oct-22 20:06:51

For the patient the trans issue is paramount.

If I was management or higher, the main issue would be the unauthorised entry and the ignorance/violation of procedure in place to protect the patient.

Smileless2012 Mon 31-Oct-22 20:05:12

She didn't request that only females cared for her where did you get this from growstuff?

growstuff Mon 31-Oct-22 20:04:45

Lathyrus

I’m afraid you just can’t get past that unauthorised entry unless the member of staff can give a good reason for it.

It’s just not professional.

I agree. The hospital needs to investigate that, but it's absolutely nothing to do with whether the nurse was male, female, trans or a Martian! The woman sounds like an unhinged and entitled trouble-maker.

LizzieDrip Mon 31-Oct-22 20:04:27

^VioletSky

Fleurpepper

Sending hugs to your friends and you because I generally need a hug after one of these threads^

Sending hugs to you both too💐 I naively got involved in one of these threads recently and actually felt bullied by a number of posters - quite upsetting. Hence I haven’t added my views to this thread but am giving moral support to you.

VioletSky Mon 31-Oct-22 20:03:58

welbeck

VioletSky. that was an error, for which i have apologised to MN; i pressed the quote button instead of the report one by mistake.
i note your flippant attitude to the law and to the administration of justice.
i do not share that attitude.

Are the wossnames really contravened without identifying details? Not sure they are.

Thank you for pointing out my flippant attitude to the law.

I will add that to the rude and derogatory I was told I am earlier

I am just an all around menace to society really

growstuff Mon 31-Oct-22 20:03:10

She was having a pre-op assessement, which would have involved a nurse with a clipboard and questions about her previous medical history, etc. It's possible she was also weighed, measured and had her blood pressure taken.