Princess Grace hospital cancelled vital surgery for woman who requested single-sex care

I’m afraid you just can’t get past that unauthorised entry unless the member of staff can give a good reason for it.

It’s just not professional.

Smileless2012

And as I posted growstuff whether or not she was undergoing a procedure is irrelevant.

No, it's not because that's what people are claiming.

Smileless2012

So why did the nurse enter her room and why have you put "the (allegedly) trans nurse ..." growstuff? Are you saying that a trans nurse didn't enter her room and she's making the whole thing up?

Because I have no proof that this nurse was trans.

And as I posted growstuff whether or not she was undergoing a procedure is irrelevant.

Smileless2012

It is irrelevant whether or not at the time, she was undergoing a procedure. As Lathyrus has quite rightly pointed out, if this nurse was not a member of her care team why were they there in the first place?

If the female only request had been adhered too, this unfortunate incident which may well have been as upsetting for the nurse as it was for the patient, should and could have been avoided.

She didn't request that only females cared for her. Another lie from the mangled secondary sources.

Good, I’m glad they’re investigating. That’s exactly what should happen. Especially the reason for the unauthorised entry into what should have been a private consultation.

That will have to be explained I hope. It’s just basic safeguarding.

So why did the nurse enter her room and why have you put "the (allegedly) trans nurse ..." growstuff? Are you saying that a trans nurse didn't enter her room and she's making the whole thing up?

Smileless2012

It is irrelevant whether or not at the time, she was undergoing a procedure. As Lathyrus has quite rightly pointed out, if this nurse was not a member of her care team why were they there in the first place?

If the female only request had been adhered too, this unfortunate incident which may well have been as upsetting for the nurse as it was for the patient, should and could have been avoided.

No, she wasn't undergoing a procedure!!!

Even she admitted that.

Lathyrus

Have you really never been stared till you felt uncomfortable.

I must be more gorgeous than I thought……

She didn't claim to be "stared at". She said their gaze met briefly, which she claimed was intimidating (only her words).

volver

Lathyrus

Have you really never been stared till you felt uncomfortable.

I must be more gorgeous than I thought……

I have had a person stick their head in the door, meet my eye and then withdraw.

Maybe I'm more intimidating than you thought...

😂

Lathyrus

growstuff

Lathyrus Where have you picked up that she was undergoing a procedure? All that she has written is that she was having a pre-op assessment, which could have been just questioning. Certainly, my own pre-op assessments have not involved any "procedures".

I'm afraid there has been a lot of exaggeration here.

I admit I picked it up from media accounts. It was in a direct quotation of what she said so I took it at face value.

Nevertheless procedure or assessment an unauthorised member of staff did enter the room. F there was a good reason for that then the investigation stops.

But the account is of them entering and then leaving with no action other than making eye contact with the patient.

If that is so I think most people would understand why she found that unnerving. It is not behaviour a hospital would expect from any member of staff.

The hospital acknowledged the complaint and said it was investigating. I've read the email and Twitter exchanges. The woman later admitted she wasn't being examined when the (allegedly) trans nurse entered the room. The nurse didn't speak to her, touch her or interact in any way. The hospital Consultant said that her life wasn't in immediate danger and there were other hospitals which could perform the operation. She then said she wanted the operation at Princess Grace, but the hospital said it didn't have single-sex ICU wards, so couldn't comply with her demands. The woman is a former lawyer and, quite frankly, sounds as though she was looking for trouble.

Lathyrus

Have you really never been stared till you felt uncomfortable.

I must be more gorgeous than I thought……

I have had a person stick their head in the door, meet my eye and then withdraw.

Maybe I'm more intimidating than you thought...

Have you really never been stared till you felt uncomfortable.

I must be more gorgeous than I thought……

It is irrelevant whether or not at the time, she was undergoing a procedure. As Lathyrus has quite rightly pointed out, if this nurse was not a member of her care team why were they there in the first place?

If the female only request had been adhered too, this unfortunate incident which may well have been as upsetting for the nurse as it was for the patient, should and could have been avoided.

VioletSky. that was an error, for which i have apologised to MN; i pressed the quote button instead of the report one by mistake.
i note your flippant attitude to the law and to the administration of justice.
i do not share that attitude.

Particularly if they have invaded your private space

I disagree. A silent, hovering presence staring at you can be very, very frightening.

But the account is of them entering and then leaving with no action other than making eye contact with the patient.

I'm sorry, honest, this is just comical.

Intimidation by glancing. We've lost the plot.

the women only hospital was the Elizabeth Garrett Anderson Hospital, on Euston Road.

You also shared that Welbeck are you now guilty too?

I'd quote you but I don't want to contravene the wossname

maddyone

I think patients should accept the staff whatever their gender. I would. I would ask to be on a female ward though as I wouldn’t be comfortable in a mixed ward. However if that was all that was available I’d have to put up with it.

When my elderly mother was in her care home, she refused male carers to deal with her intimate care. She was happy with any other type of care from males though. The home didn’t find it a problem. They simply wrote on her notes that she preferred females for intimate care. They believed in honouring the dignity and choices of the residents.

It used to be a given that a women would have a female to attend to intimate care - the idea that an elderly woman now has to request this and it's marked on her notes beggars belief.

Back in the day, male nurses, who were few and far between then, weren't even allowed to enter a female ward!

[quote Fleurpepper]

FarNorth

Post deleted by GNHQ

Fleurpepper re your post at 19:12:35;
your last sentence contravenes The Contempt of Court Act, strict liability rule, and puts MN(GN) in jeopardy also in jeopardy as publisher of prejudicial material.
this is why we must not comment on current cases.

growstuff

Lathyrus Where have you picked up that she was undergoing a procedure? All that she has written is that she was having a pre-op assessment, which could have been just questioning. Certainly, my own pre-op assessments have not involved any "procedures".

I'm afraid there has been a lot of exaggeration here.

I admit I picked it up from media accounts. It was in a direct quotation of what she said so I took it at face value.

Nevertheless procedure or assessment an unauthorised member of staff did enter the room. F there was a good reason for that then the investigation stops.

But the account is of them entering and then leaving with no action other than making eye contact with the patient.

If that is so I think most people would understand why she found that unnerving. It is not behaviour a hospital would expect from any member of staff.

Ladyleftfieldlover

Didn’t there used to be a hospital in London entirely staffed by women? It was often used by women from various Arab countries. When I had my breast cancer operation the surgeon was a woman and all the nursing staff and radiologists were women, as was my oncologist. All my other hospital experiences have had both men and women doctors and nurses. My recent colonoscopy was carried out by a young man. As long as they know what they’re doing, etc., etc.

The London Free, I believe.

VioletSky

Fleurpepper

Sending hugs to your friends and you because I generally need a hug after one of these threads

Oh how lovely, thanks. No worries about me- but yes, it is hard for those friends. Well not the one who does not look trans- no-one ever bullies her.

I have seen and heard what the other two go through, day in, day out. Last time one of them came to visit, I was really worried about here when she got into the train with some nasty looking lads, and I was worried she would be bullied or attacked. She got home safe.

We have acquaintances staying over, and we went to a fair. The woman went to the toilet, where our trans friend happened to be. She came out shouting ans screaming abuse about 'that perv in the toilet' - because she has asked if she was having a nice day, when washing her hands. You have no idea what it is like.

And no, neither of them would want to compete in sport against other women. All three feel it is not right to do so.