Princess Grace hospital cancelled vital surgery for woman who requested single-sex care

FarNorth

Have fun hurtling past obvious points Fleurpepper & others.

No, try digging a bit deeper. You are the one who is ignoring the actual facts.

Lathyrus Where have you picked up that she was undergoing a procedure? All that she has written is that she was having a pre-op assessment, which could have been just questioning. Certainly, my own pre-op assessments have not involved any "procedures".

I'm afraid there has been a lot of exaggeration here.

Exactly Lathyrus especially in a non-hard-pressed expensive private hospital.

Have fun hurtling past obvious points Fleurpepper & others.

Overall what I have taken from this is

An unauthorised member of staff entered a room where a patient was undergoing a procedure connected with her surgery.

The member of staff acted in such a way as to make the patient feel intimidated and nervous about her up coming surgery

The hospital should investigate the actions of the member of staff to see whether entrance into the room as justified for any reason and whether the behaviours noted by any other oarty in the room.

This is basic medical safeguarding.

We now acknowledge that patients need to be treated with dignity. The days of random persons drifting in and out whilst a patient is undergoing procedure are thankfully long gone.

Any behaviour by anyone which violates patient dignity and confidence needs to be thoroughly investigated.

How can anyone argue against that?

Fleurpepper

Sending hugs to your friends and you because I generally need a hug after one of these threads

growstuff

FarNorth

Fleurpepper

I really do believe there is more to this story!

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What sort of 'more' do you think there might be?

I think the hospital had arranged to meet her request and then things went wrong on the day - caused by a transwoman nurse inserting himself where he shouldn't have been.
The hospital then tried to pretend that nothing went wrong but has had to backtrack on that.

Your turn, fleurpepper.

So where did anything go wrong?

No male was involved in the woman's care, which is what she requested.

Exactly. I believe there is probably more to this story from the patients pov. Reading her Tweet, she is using this to whip up people into more discrimination against trans people.

You have no idea what they go through, day in, day out. The insults, the jibes, the rejections, the mocking and bullying. Well 2 of them because their size, hands and feet in particular, and voice, point to the fact they are trans-women. The other one does not- as you woud never know, as voice and proportion all female- so she just fits in. Is she, according to some of you, less of a 'danger' (!) because of this?

Well overall what I have taken from this is:

The lady in question needs therapy for 2 reasons.

1. It's not healthy to live with a fear that endangers her own life.

2. It is not healthy that her fear means offending and discriminating against an entire demographic

I hope she gets the help she needs and can then lead a full life without hurting herself or others

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Fleurpepper

Mollygrow '“Is it OK for men to do what they like regardless of female requests?”
Do male rights transcend female rights?'

I so wish you could talk to my friends. They have chosen to become women, to be women, because they do not believe this.

If your friends are not among those who want to invade female safe spaces, compete in female games, falsely portray themselves as female when a female has been asked for, then they would probably say the same as I do.
Presumably you’re saying they also stand up for and support females who are faced with those issues?
Are you saying they agree that the male was wrong to go into the patient’s room?

It’s such a shame that those transwomen who don’t wish to do any of the things I mentioned have the image of transwomen tarnished by those who do.
Woman is now a corrupt word, corrupted by males, which is why I use female.

Mollygo

HousePlantQueen

It is stated that the patient was upset because a trans nurse "entered the room' .....how did she know? Not wishing to offended but nursing uniforms are unisex.

We may never know. More importantly, he knew he was a male even if he called himself a ‘woman’.

If a male whether or not involved in her care, went into her room unnecessarily, regardless of what he says he is then we’re back to asking
“Is it OK for men to do what they like regardless of female requests?”
Do male rights transcend female rights?

It’s quite obvious that posters on this thread have already, by supporting his actions, implied that they think it is OK.

That is nothing new.

Yes, I think it was OK and I'm not going to be gaslighted into changing my mind.

FarNorth

Fleurpepper

I really do believe there is more to this story!

.
What sort of 'more' do you think there might be?

I think the hospital had arranged to meet her request and then things went wrong on the day - caused by a transwoman nurse inserting himself where he shouldn't have been.
The hospital then tried to pretend that nothing went wrong but has had to backtrack on that.

Your turn, fleurpepper.

So where did anything go wrong?

No male was involved in the woman's care, which is what she requested.

Volver, this actually happened to a teacher. A parent went bonkers they were teaching pronouns and demanded they stop.

The parent had obviously never heard of the word before trans people became the latest pinching bag

Oh really fleurpepper we all know plenty of lovely men who would never harm anyone - yet statistics show the huge risk to females in general from males in general.
Or would you say that the UK regime causes biased statistics?

Your lovely transwomen friends may be amongst those harmless men, or they may not.
It doesn't alter the fact that they are males.

VioletSky

I'll wait for everyone who says they don't agree with not using people's requested pronouns to chime in and actually call it out

Actually this person says she didn't want to use pronouns.

That must make it difficult for her to make sentences.

I have to laugh, or I'd cry.

Didn’t there used to be a hospital in London entirely staffed by women? It was often used by women from various Arab countries. When I had my breast cancer operation the surgeon was a woman and all the nursing staff and radiologists were women, as was my oncologist. All my other hospital experiences have had both men and women doctors and nurses. My recent colonoscopy was carried out by a young man. As long as they know what they’re doing, etc., etc.

Mollygrow '“Is it OK for men to do what they like regardless of female requests?”
Do male rights transcend female rights?'

I so wish you could talk to my friends. They have chosen to become women, to be women, because they do not believe this.

Fleurpepper

I really do believe there is more to this story!

.
What sort of 'more' do you think there might be?

I think the hospital had arranged to meet her request and then things went wrong on the day - caused by a transwoman nurse inserting himself where he shouldn't have been.
The hospital then tried to pretend that nothing went wrong but has had to backtrack on that.

Your turn, fleurpepper.

I'll wait for everyone who says they don't agree with not using people's requested pronouns to chime in and actually call it out

HousePlantQueen

It is stated that the patient was upset because a trans nurse "entered the room' .....how did she know? Not wishing to offended but nursing uniforms are unisex.

We may never know. More importantly, he knew he was a male even if he called himself a ‘woman’.

If a male whether or not involved in her care, went into her room unnecessarily, regardless of what he says he is then we’re back to asking
“Is it OK for men to do what they like regardless of female requests?”
Do male rights transcend female rights?

It’s quite obvious that posters on this thread have already, by supporting his actions, implied that they think it is OK.

That is nothing new.

FarNorth

fleurpepper racism is not a protected belief in the UK, belief in the reality of biological sex is a protected belief.

If a white person, in apartheid S Africa, had been attacked by a black woman and if statistics showed that black women were a significant risk to white people, perhaps that white person would be reasonable, rather than prejudiced, in your scenario .

Those things did not apply to black women, and do apply to men in general.

It would have been prejudiced, because the perception and statistics would have been supported by the regime.

I have only just now read the Tweets she wrote- and it is clear she is on the rampage, and wants to make a lot of noise to support her prejudice.

'' notice that all on this thread who think the patient was unreasonable, do acknowledge that a transwoman nurse is a male nurse.'' - no I do not accept that at all. I have 3 good friends who are transgender. One of the you would never ever never know- lovely voice and all proportions very female. She works in care, and no-one has ever objected.

The other two are wonderful people, and had the change later in life and yes, I knew immediately. They are wonderful, kind, caring- neither of them nurses though. They would be horrified to be considered a danger for women. Part of their desire to re-assign is because they are gentle, kind, caring.

If you are in a building on fire, would you ask if the fire person on the ladder is female or male, or indeed trans, before they carry you off to safety?

Glorianny

I can't remember making eye contact with anyone during any medical procedure. I usually shut them tight and pretend nothing is happening!

No just don't do it

Doesn't matter who they are, if they are also able to make eye contact with your cervix it's not a good time

Also never say you like cold hands down there when someone apologises for having them

Cos I did and I was mid birth and couldn't run away from that embarrassing blurt out

VioletSky

I sometimes open a space looking for someone, make eye contact with faces that might be the person or realise they are busy and then leave again

It's a biiiiig stretch

Has it been confirmed this was indeed the trans nurse in question? Or did she make an assumption that someone masculine appearing was trans?

Because if she looked at someone she thought was "presenting as female" and decided she had features that were too masculine in some way o they must be trans then that's gender stereotyping and has roots in sexism

Well that’s why it needs investigation.

A valid reason for entering the room. That’s fine.

No valid reason for entering the room. That needs exploring.

Glorianny you'll see from the twitter thread, that the all-female surgical team previously arranged were to carry out the operation today.
There was no difficulty with that.

I can't remember making eye contact with anyone during any medical procedure. I usually shut them tight and pretend nothing is happening!