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calling me darling is misogynistic

I wonder which impacts more on your life a transwoman working in the same place using the same facilities, or the man in charge dismissing you when you are 6 months pregnant?

actually I'm more concerned about a man entering my daughter's home and abusing her under the guise of being a female carer. Women with learning disabilities are already far more likely to be sexually abused by men than the rest of the female population, I don't think we need to make it any easier.

It's not an either/or situation and I agree with MissA.

As far as I'm concerned, that is all the more reason to preserve the small amount of personal space that women are "allowed".

JaneJudge

^Of course females are discriminated against but most of it is absolutely nothing to do with transpeople^

It's to do with men

Men who identify as women in order to gain access to female only spaces/jobs/whatever in order to have power/control and abuse women.

No darling. It's to do with men who have power, men who own companies, make laws, manage organisations, dismiss pregnant women or make it impossible for them to work, refuse to fund childcare so it's too expensive and leave women to slip down the pay ladder. If there are transwomen doing that they must be bloody good at passing! But I think you'll find most are natal men.
I wonder which impacts more on your life a transwoman working in the same place using the same facilities, or the man in charge dismissing you when you are 6 months pregnant?

Glorianny

Of course females are discriminated against but most of it is absolutely nothing to do with transpeople. It's to do with a system which still counts things like pregnancy and child care as women's issues and responsibilities and which can still act to discriminate against women on those issues. It's to do with thousands of women losing their jobs when pregnant and having a relatively short time to contest that. It's to do with expensive and inadequate childcare (the commons are discussing raising the ratio of children to staff just now). It's to do with women and the pay gap which still exists. If only those campaigning against transpeople were really out there supporting women and the issues which really discriminate against them in everyday life. .https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/oct/29/march-of-the-mummies-childcare-protests-uk

And another distraction technique.

Give em the old razzle dazzle………..

Actually I think those of us who believe transwomen are women are being discriminated against as well
Discrimination by association
^Discrimination by association occurs when a person
is treated less favourably because they are linked
or associated with a protected characteristic.The
person does not have the protected characteristic
but they are treated less favourably than others
because of a protected characteristic of a friend,
spouse, partner, parent or another person with
whom they are associated.^
Calling or labelling us as transactivists because we support equality is discrimination.

Of course females are discriminated against but most of it is absolutely nothing to do with transpeople

It's to do with men

Men who identify as women in order to gain access to female only spaces/jobs/whatever in order to have power/control and abuse women.

www.theguardian.com/money/2022/oct/29/march-of-the-mummies-childcare-protests-uk

Of course females are discriminated against but most of it is absolutely nothing to do with transpeople. It's to do with a system which still counts things like pregnancy and child care as women's issues and responsibilities and which can still act to discriminate against women on those issues. It's to do with thousands of women losing their jobs when pregnant and having a relatively short time to contest that. It's to do with expensive and inadequate childcare (the commons are discussing raising the ratio of children to staff just now). It's to do with women and the pay gap which still exists. If only those campaigning against transpeople were really out there supporting women and the issues which really discriminate against them in everyday life. .https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/oct/29/march-of-the-mummies-childcare-protests-uk

Iam64

Where is the discrimination. Where has anyone said discrimination of any kind is acceptable

No one has said discrimination is acceptable, but the discrimination against females goes on.
Also the discrimination against anyone who doesn’t support all trans, (because they reject the discriminatory behaviour of some trans.

Discrimination now includes
^making decisions about people based on
stereotypes can be discrimination too^
There is an awful lot of posting about stereotypes on these threads assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/85022/vcs-association-perception.pdf

Fleurpepper

just depends on what you do with your 'not agreeing'. If it leads to discrimination against trans people who are good people, caring people, great nurses or doctors, then it is bad. And akin to other forms of discrimination. Even if you disagree about it.

What if not agreeing leads to world peace? Or a cure for cancer?

There is no reason why it might, but equally, there is no reason why it should lead to discrimination against good, caring nurses or doctors who happen to be living as the opposite sex.

Where is the discrimination. Where has anyone said discrimination of any kind is acceptable

just depends on what you do with your 'not agreeing'. If it leads to discrimination against trans people who are good people, caring people, great nurses or doctors, then it is bad. And akin to other forms of discrimination. Even if you disagree about it.

JaneJudge

no one is discriminating against trans people, they are protecting female only care/safe spaces etc

it isn't that difficult to understand

You wouldn't think so, would you? It is so bleedin' obvious that I have deleted a few posts that have tried to explain (again) as they seem condescending.

I'll have another go, and try not to sound like Mr Mackey.

Antisemitism is bad.
Racism is bad.
Sexism is bad.
Homophobia is bad.
Transphobia is bad.
Discrimination is bad (if not done positively).

Not agreeing that sex can be changed is not bad.
Not agreeing that sex can be changed is not racist.
Not agreeing that sex can be changed is not antisemitic.
Not agreeing that sex can be changed is not sexist.
Not agreeing that sex can be changed is not homophobic.
Not agreeing that sex can be changed is not discriminatory.
Not agreeing that sex can be changed is not transphobic.

It is about law and safeguarding

being inclusive can exclude much more vulnerable groups that need more protection

It is lazy to just lump other minority and vulnerable into laws that protect women, maybe people should be more angry about that, really.

no one is discriminating against trans people, they are protecting female only care/safe spaces etc

it isn't that difficult to understand

But there isn't any discrimination on this thread that I can see Fleur. I agree that it comes in many guises but where have you seen it here?

I asked earlier for just one example to be given of a post that is discriminating against trans and none has been forth coming.

No, those comments are NOT a 'distraction'. They are there to say that discrimination comes in many guises. It seems from many here, that discrimination against trans people is totally fine.

Also to say that some forms of discrimination seem the norm, perfectly acceptable, in some cultures or ethnic groups, at certain times- which later are seen to be incredibly wrong and misplaced.

And to say too, that if a group has been discriminated, and wronged in unbelievably cruel and inhumane ways, it does not give them the right to perpetrate similar things on other groups are a later stage in history.

To say that what Israeli Jews are doing to the Palestinians, with the approval, or silence, from other Jews- is NOT antisemitic at all.

It is a very important issue without a doubt, but as you say Iam has no relevance to a discussion about trans issues.

Unfortunately Lathyrus despite the fact that race and religion have nothing to do with this subject they are often introduced as a distraction which is such a shame.

Lathyrus, I’m not Jewish but I have a number of Jewish friends and former work colleagues. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t share the concerns about the continuing dreadful conflict. There has been a terrible increase in attacks on synagogues as well as on Jewish people.
Anti semitism is increasing

But this is a distraction from the subject of the thread.

Throughout there has been numerous attempts to distract from the issue by comments about other groups.🙄🙁

Thank you Iam64.

To be Jewish, which is a racial inheritance, is not to be confused with being Israeli which is a Nationality.

What is happening in the conflict between Irael and Palestine is between them. Not as Fleur has said ‘what Jews are doing to Palestinians.

An opening for anti-semitism indeed.

Fleurpepper

''The difference is thaat Jewish people (or any other of the less contentious groups who have been hastily dragged in to make the first attempt seem less offensive) are not asking for a shift in people's perceptions so that they can claim to be something they aren't.'' it depends when and where''. I have Jewish friends who have moved away from Israel, as they just cannot be or be part of, in any way, shape or form, what Jews are doing to Palestinians right now and for a very long time. And using their faith to do so. Fact.

What relevance does the actions of your Jewish friends have to the trans issues central to this discussion.

I find the ease with which criticism of Jewish people is linked to the actions of the Israeli government disturbing. Anti semitism inevitably arrives, often in thin disguise