Assisted dying: Parliamentary public consultstion

Fleurpepper

Shinamae

Fleurpepper

No doctor should be expected to do this, of course.

In many countries, and I believe this to be better, the treating team, GP and hospital and other specialists will comment in the report about the medical conditions of the person requesting an Assisted Death- but the team would do administer, in the end, is totally separate.

EXIT it is then…..

Not quite sure what you mean. EXIT is a Swiss charitable foundation which is not available to non residents.

But yes, a similar system would be perfect in the UK.

But they have a very helpful book…. and I will also be trying to find out if I would be able to go to Holland if I develop dementia. This is all so wrong that we have to suffer like this and worry and worry….🥺

Shinamae

Fleurpepper

No doctor should be expected to do this, of course.

In many countries, and I believe this to be better, the treating team, GP and hospital and other specialists will comment in the report about the medical conditions of the person requesting an Assisted Death- but the team would do administer, in the end, is totally separate.

EXIT it is then…..

Not quite sure what you mean. EXIT is a Swiss charitable foundation which is not available to non residents.

But yes, a similar system would be perfect in the UK.

Whiff

Just completed the survey. As my husband died in agony from cancer aged 47. If he had wanted to end his life I would have gladly given him an over dose of morphine. It's quality not quantity of life that important. Those who believe at life at any cost haven't had my experience of watching 4 people die. Death is not beautiful it is horrific. No one would let an animal suffer by they let people do.

If it's the person's decision to end their suffering they should be able to and anyone who helps them should not be punished for it.

This is just so awfully sad, and I am so sorry Whiff 🌺
This shouldn’t be happening in a supposedly “civilised” world.

The sad truth is that many deaths are unnecessarily drawn out and painful, and the law needs to change. Seeing relatives and friends die in great pain and discomfort, over months/weeks without adequate pain relief, I have also found very distressing. Even PCA morphine pumps leave long gaps where there is no pain relief, and I find the prospect of adequate end of life care, especially in this current NHS climate very worrying.

Fleurpepper

No doctor should be expected to do this, of course.

In many countries, and I believe this to be better, the treating team, GP and hospital and other specialists will comment in the report about the medical conditions of the person requesting an Assisted Death- but the team would do administer, in the end, is totally separate.

EXIT it is then…..

Again, dementia/Alzheimers will not be part of any new Law proposed in the UK. And it seems, apart from the Netherlands, is not anywhere in the world.

No doctor should be expected to do this, of course.

In many countries, and I believe this to be better, the treating team, GP and hospital and other specialists will comment in the report about the medical conditions of the person requesting an Assisted Death- but the team would do administer, in the end, is totally separate.

Shinamae

Going to my own doctor with my solicitor to do a final health directive, should be happening..(my doctor knows me very very well and knows I would Not to be coerced into anything like this)..
I’m pretty sure it will come, but I’m pretty sure I won’t be around to see it 🫣🥹…

Sorry, I didn’t say that my doctor SHOULD be able to administer a lethal injection if I am terminally ill in great pain, or if I develop dementia, ) obviously l would have to be tested and diagnosed properly.)

Going to my own doctor with my solicitor to do a final health directive, should be happening..(my doctor knows me very very well and knows I would Not to be coerced into anything like this)..
I’m pretty sure it will come, but I’m pretty sure I won’t be around to see it 🫣🥹…

Shinamae, I agree, that’s why I mentioned it.

Speaking from a country that does have medical assistance in dying (MAID), I think it is good that your country is having public input and discussion.

I believe in MAID, having seen some suffer for years that would have chosen it, I am glad it is legal here. There has been some talk about potential amendments to the act, encompassing those whose death is not imminently foreseeable, but nonetheless reasonably foreseeable. There has been some discussion about those seeking death with mental illness, but that is still under review.

Bringing up the past, and what was done in the past is a moot point really, because things were done both with compassion and apathy, or taking the easy road out. But this can lead to criminality, let's not forget what happened in Nazi Germany, with many mentally ill and 'genetic cleansing' happening.

So governments must map out how to legalize it, and detail what form of consent is allowable. Unfortunately many of us will not be in a state to give consent when the end is immanent, which is why our government is looking at advance consent. Tricky decisions to make which I gladly leave up to medical and law experts.

Delila

The deadline is actually 11.59pm tomorrow, Friday, isn’t it?

Never mind, Another opportunity more people to see this…. and I don’t think that’s any bad thing…

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So it is. Sorry, I’ve been a day ahead all this week.

The deadline is actually 11.59pm tomorrow, Friday, isn’t it?

Bump..

yes, thank you Siope.

At least having the conversation has kep the thread - and the link to the consultation - on the active threads forum.

Just over two hours, in case anyone hasn’t quite got round to completing the survey.

volver

You understand nothing. Read my posts better. I'm out.

I do understand, and I have read your posts. This should have never been on this thread.

It is not what the thread is about.

Caleo

Please, Blondiescot, a stomach washout is not unduly unpleasant, so please revise what you wrote as it may alarm someone who needs a simple stomach washout ((gastric lavage_).

There's a bit of a difference between a simple gastric lavage and having to have your stomach pumped after an overdose. I'm pretty sure anyone would realise that.

You understand nothing. Read my posts better. I'm out.

Fleurpepper

Ic an understand your anger and your misgivings- but I agree with Caleo.

But please, do NOT allow this to totally divert from the intention of Siope's OP. This is NOT about euthanasia of a poor man, tramp or otherwise.

It is about the right of individuals to want to be in control of their death when in pain, when all hope is lost. Freely and of their own accord. And about the need to change Laws in the UK to allow people to make that choice safely and legally, and not have to travel to Switzerland, or ot fear their loved ones might be prosecuted.

PLEASE.

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Ic an understand your anger and your misgivings- but I agree with Caleo.

But please, do NOT allow this to totally divert from the intention of Siope's OP. This is NOT about euthanasia of a poor man, tramp or otherwise.

It is about the right of individuals to want to be in control of their death when in pain, when all hope is lost. Freely and of their own accord. And about the need to change Laws in the UK to allow people to make that choice safely and legally, and not have to travel to Switzerland, or ot fear their loved ones might be prosecuted.

PLEASE.

It doesn't matter that he was a tramp, but in this day and age, the 21st century, you though it was appropriate to tell us that he was. Actually not "he", but "they" because the implication in the post is that this happened more than once, to "tramps", as though it was some kind of recurring service to the disadvantaged of society. To be blunt, it's your manner of telling of the story that is upsetting.

In my opinion, it is not a heart warming story. Try this.

Sometimes if there were people in the hospital who had been unable to get medical assistance, because of the way things were set up in those days, they might be in a very bad way, terminally ill. If there was no more hope for curing the patient, the ward sister told the junior VAD to draw the screens and not come in. Then doctor and sister went behind the screens and would help the patient, by quietly fulfilling their wishes to be helped on their way.

I can understand "made my blood boil" . However when you have to act asap you have to put reason and kindness before your own passionate feelings.

Volver, your reasoning omits the fact that the doctor , the sister, the patient, and my friend the young VAD nurse, could not at that moment in time change a society that excluded the very poor from medical care. This process took decades and a labour government.