Assisted dying: Parliamentary public consultstion

You understand nothing. Read my posts better. I'm out.

Caleo

Please, Blondiescot, a stomach washout is not unduly unpleasant, so please revise what you wrote as it may alarm someone who needs a simple stomach washout ((gastric lavage_).

There's a bit of a difference between a simple gastric lavage and having to have your stomach pumped after an overdose. I'm pretty sure anyone would realise that.

volver

You understand nothing. Read my posts better. I'm out.

I do understand, and I have read your posts. This should have never been on this thread.

It is not what the thread is about.

At least having the conversation has kep the thread - and the link to the consultation - on the active threads forum.

Just over two hours, in case anyone hasn’t quite got round to completing the survey.

yes, thank you Siope.

Bump..

The deadline is actually 11.59pm tomorrow, Friday, isn’t it?

So it is. Sorry, I’ve been a day ahead all this week.

👍🏻

Delila

The deadline is actually 11.59pm tomorrow, Friday, isn’t it?

Never mind, Another opportunity more people to see this…. and I don’t think that’s any bad thing…

Speaking from a country that does have medical assistance in dying (MAID), I think it is good that your country is having public input and discussion.

I believe in MAID, having seen some suffer for years that would have chosen it, I am glad it is legal here. There has been some talk about potential amendments to the act, encompassing those whose death is not imminently foreseeable, but nonetheless reasonably foreseeable. There has been some discussion about those seeking death with mental illness, but that is still under review.

Bringing up the past, and what was done in the past is a moot point really, because things were done both with compassion and apathy, or taking the easy road out. But this can lead to criminality, let's not forget what happened in Nazi Germany, with many mentally ill and 'genetic cleansing' happening.

So governments must map out how to legalize it, and detail what form of consent is allowable. Unfortunately many of us will not be in a state to give consent when the end is immanent, which is why our government is looking at advance consent. Tricky decisions to make which I gladly leave up to medical and law experts.

Shinamae, I agree, that’s why I mentioned it.

Going to my own doctor with my solicitor to do a final health directive, should be happening..(my doctor knows me very very well and knows I would Not to be coerced into anything like this)..
I’m pretty sure it will come, but I’m pretty sure I won’t be around to see it 🫣🥹…

Shinamae

Going to my own doctor with my solicitor to do a final health directive, should be happening..(my doctor knows me very very well and knows I would Not to be coerced into anything like this)..
I’m pretty sure it will come, but I’m pretty sure I won’t be around to see it 🫣🥹…

Sorry, I didn’t say that my doctor SHOULD be able to administer a lethal injection if I am terminally ill in great pain, or if I develop dementia, ) obviously l would have to be tested and diagnosed properly.)

No doctor should be expected to do this, of course.

In many countries, and I believe this to be better, the treating team, GP and hospital and other specialists will comment in the report about the medical conditions of the person requesting an Assisted Death- but the team would do administer, in the end, is totally separate.

Again, dementia/Alzheimers will not be part of any new Law proposed in the UK. And it seems, apart from the Netherlands, is not anywhere in the world.

Fleurpepper

No doctor should be expected to do this, of course.

In many countries, and I believe this to be better, the treating team, GP and hospital and other specialists will comment in the report about the medical conditions of the person requesting an Assisted Death- but the team would do administer, in the end, is totally separate.

EXIT it is then…..

Whiff

Just completed the survey. As my husband died in agony from cancer aged 47. If he had wanted to end his life I would have gladly given him an over dose of morphine. It's quality not quantity of life that important. Those who believe at life at any cost haven't had my experience of watching 4 people die. Death is not beautiful it is horrific. No one would let an animal suffer by they let people do.

If it's the person's decision to end their suffering they should be able to and anyone who helps them should not be punished for it.

This is just so awfully sad, and I am so sorry Whiff 🌺
This shouldn’t be happening in a supposedly “civilised” world.

The sad truth is that many deaths are unnecessarily drawn out and painful, and the law needs to change. Seeing relatives and friends die in great pain and discomfort, over months/weeks without adequate pain relief, I have also found very distressing. Even PCA morphine pumps leave long gaps where there is no pain relief, and I find the prospect of adequate end of life care, especially in this current NHS climate very worrying.

Shinamae

Fleurpepper

No doctor should be expected to do this, of course.

In many countries, and I believe this to be better, the treating team, GP and hospital and other specialists will comment in the report about the medical conditions of the person requesting an Assisted Death- but the team would do administer, in the end, is totally separate.

EXIT it is then…..

Not quite sure what you mean. EXIT is a Swiss charitable foundation which is not available to non residents.

But yes, a similar system would be perfect in the UK.

Fleurpepper

Shinamae

Fleurpepper

No doctor should be expected to do this, of course.

In many countries, and I believe this to be better, the treating team, GP and hospital and other specialists will comment in the report about the medical conditions of the person requesting an Assisted Death- but the team would do administer, in the end, is totally separate.

EXIT it is then…..

Not quite sure what you mean. EXIT is a Swiss charitable foundation which is not available to non residents.

But yes, a similar system would be perfect in the UK.

But they have a very helpful book…. and I will also be trying to find out if I would be able to go to Holland if I develop dementia. This is all so wrong that we have to suffer like this and worry and worry….🥺

Dignitas and Pegasus are available in Switzerland for non-residents.

Caleo

Siope wrote:

" it’s unfair and inequitable that those who can afford it can benefit from assisted dying opportunities by travelling abroad. I don’t think it’s wrong that they do so."

Rich people, and maybe doctors and vets too, have been able to get euthanased if they so desire. King George V is alleged to have been put to sleep to end his pain.
A retired geriatrician I knew was compassionate, however he said the downside of medically assisted dying is that the geriatrician would not be entirely free to end a life when appropriate.

I knew an elderly lady who had been a VAD nurse during WWI, in a civilian hospital in the west of Scotland. Sometimes an elderly tramp would be a patient, in a very bad way, terminally ill. The ward sister told the junior VAD nurse there was nothing anyone could do to help the man, so draw the screens and keep out .Then doctor and sister went behind the screens and when they came out the old man was dead.

So sorry Fleurpepper about my linking wrong quote yesterday. Was in response to this one from Caleo.

No worries- it did however sadly derail the thread.

We are talking here about people having the choice, end of life, legally. Without fear of making a mess of it, and others being so traumatised by the events. And legally, so no partner/spouse/etc, helping out put themselves at risk of prosecution (ok in Scotland), and at home, or at least locally. Not to have to travel abroad, often too early for fear of leaving it too late, or alone, for fear of others being interviewed and treated like criminals before or on return, and only available for the rich who can afford the high costs.

UK residents should have THE CHOICE, with all the safety measures to avoid that elusive 'slippery slope' so many people mention everytime.

It has indeed been PROVEN, that people who know that they will, if ever they just can't bear to keep going, have the choice- actually live choose to live longer. Because that choice is there for them, because they don't have to go too early to still have the strengh and mobility to travel, etc.

Fleurpepper

No worries- it did however sadly derail the thread.

We are talking here about people having the choice, end of life, legally. Without fear of making a mess of it, and others being so traumatised by the events. And legally, so no partner/spouse/etc, helping out put themselves at risk of prosecution (ok in Scotland), and at home, or at least locally. Not to have to travel abroad, often too early for fear of leaving it too late, or alone, for fear of others being interviewed and treated like criminals before or on return, and only available for the rich who can afford the high costs.

UK residents should have THE CHOICE, with all the safety measures to avoid that elusive 'slippery slope' so many people mention everytime.

It has indeed been PROVEN, that people who know that they will, if ever they just can't bear to keep going, have the choice- actually live choose to live longer. Because that choice is there for them, because they don't have to go too early to still have the strengh and mobility to travel, etc.

This. Couldn't put it better myself.

Thanks Siope I have completed the survey