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Anniebach

A quiet girl, shy Di, who can age 24 get on stage of the Royal
Opera House and dance to Uptown Girl, this was the 80”s.

When we choose to be sarcastic, we are choosing to hurt and criticise someone. Let’s look at an example. Let’s imagine you’ve just said this to your partner: Yes, of course we can drive to Florida this year, my idea of a vacation has always been days stuck in a car on a motorway to visit a place full of senior citizens. What is implicated is that the other person is: stupid to think this is what you want, unable to understand you, thoughtless boring and uncool beneath you. Not exactly super nice, is it?This website and its content is copyright of Harley Therapy Ltd. - © 2006-2023 www.harleytherapy.co.uk/. All rights reserved

Thank you Sarah75. Society seems increasingly polarised. It should be possible to reflect on the lives of Diana and Camilla without demonising

Pardon the pun but I was blown away by Diana drawing attention to land mines. I actually meant to write and thank her but never got round to it. I wish I had. And the way she brought public attention towards AIDS sufferers in a positive way. What she did was ground breaking. All the walkabouts etc they do now is down to her; after she died they realised they had to change. In a way she saved the monarchy although her memory may actually be what destroys it. I’ll never forget seeing her being driven back to the airport: when I saw her in the car I realised I was looking at the most famous person in the world and I’ll never forget her death and the week leading up to it. I think it was the first time the death of someone I didn’t know affected me in such a way. I never thought she was beautiful, though. That always puzzled me: I felt that everyone was seeing something about her that I didn’t.

Thank you Sarah75

This shallow Diana did a lot of work behind the scenes with the homeless, those suffering. with HIV and the landmines before these works became public. There are people all over the world who she kept in touch with because she'd connected with them in their hard times. She doesn't sound like she was shallow. She might have had all sorts of other things wrong with her but shallow doesn't appear like one of those things.

As for her mass of sexual partners, she was like a lot of people of that time. In today's terms she would probably appear quite virginal. She reminds me of my mother who whose sexual prowess was the talk of the village (totally embarrassingly to her children) but if you examined her behaviour dispassionately, she viewed sex as being akin to somebody loving her such was her damaged psyche. It happens a lot with people suffering from emotional attachment disorders which at a distance Diana gave all the signs from suffering. Would she have made a better Queen than Camilla? Probably not but that doesn't mean you have to think Camilla is the right person for the job either.

Hate is used much by some posters, criticise Megan and you hate Megan, criticise Diana you hate Diana.

In the docu. Charles actually stated that much of it was like a soap opera, expertly crafted by the press of course. Each member plays a rôle from the good to the bad.
Hatred is a strong word. We approve or disapprove.

Sarah75

^This quote from Siddhartha Buddha says it all: Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.I like this quote because the antidote for hatred is definitely within your grasp. The hand that slaps also has the potential to become the hand that comforts. It all depends how you choose to use that hand^

^This point is also made in this anecdote, Native American in origin: A grandfather talking to his young grandson tells the boy he has two wolves inside of him, struggling with each other. The first is the wolf of peace, love and kindness. The other is the wolf of fear, greed and hatred. "Which wolf will win, grandfather?" asks the young boy. "Whichever one you feed" is the reply^

Thank you Sarah75

I've seen the wolf metaphor before but not the other one.

Very true.

So shy girls should never grow into confident, beautiful women or they are forever ruined!!!

I don't hate any of them.
I do find it mildly amusing that a family whose purpose is to support and lead the English Church present such a model of devious, lying, abusive and immoral behaviour. I know it always happened in the past but I think we should be able to ask more of them today. Either that or they should sever their link with the church.

Sarah75

^This quote from Siddhartha Buddha says it all: Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.I like this quote because the antidote for hatred is definitely within your grasp. The hand that slaps also has the potential to become the hand that comforts. It all depends how you choose to use that hand^

^This point is also made in this anecdote, Native American in origin: A grandfather talking to his young grandson tells the boy he has two wolves inside of him, struggling with each other. The first is the wolf of peace, love and kindness. The other is the wolf of fear, greed and hatred. "Which wolf will win, grandfather?" asks the young boy. "Whichever one you feed" is the reply^

Beautiful

This quote from Siddhartha Buddha says it all: Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.I like this quote because the antidote for hatred is definitely within your grasp. The hand that slaps also has the potential to become the hand that comforts. It all depends how you choose to use that hand

This point is also made in this anecdote, Native American in origin: A grandfather talking to his young grandson tells the boy he has two wolves inside of him, struggling with each other. The first is the wolf of peace, love and kindness. The other is the wolf of fear, greed and hatred. "Which wolf will win, grandfather?" asks the young boy. "Whichever one you feed" is the reply

Anniebach

Perform !

It’s okay, it was quite clear

Perform !

Anniebach

A quiet girl, shy Di, who can age 24 get on stage of the Royal
Opera House and dance to Uptown Girl, this was the 80”s.

I was talking about when she was a child.
She would have to have a degree of confidence in order to want to marry the heir to the throne and in front of millions (billions?) of people.

I do get that you didn’t like Diana Annie

Yes, even 25,000. When you perform you "forget" what anyone thinks in the moment. Easy.

Easy , before 2,500 people ?

That's the easy bit, dancing on stage, with a bit of practise. You don't have to hold a meaningful conversation.
But she drew attention with her beauty.

A quiet girl, shy Di, who can age 24 get on stage of the Royal
Opera House and dance to Uptown Girl, this was the 80”s.

Bizziebe

Definitely FannyCornforth.
Though Camilla was the eldest child of 3 : often more confident abd talkative. Diana was youngest of 3 sisters, so maybe less so. Who knows??

It’s interesting that you should mention Diana being quiet.
Her sisters’ nickname for her was ‘Dutch’ (not ‘Duch’ ie Duchess as many think).
They likened her to ‘a Dutch doll’ because she was such a quiet girl.

(I had no idea there was such a thing as a Dutch doll)

I'm not a royalist - so I'm failing to take much interest in current events. Still, I do feel sorry for Camilla, with so much hate directed at her.

Definitely FannyCornforth.
Though Camilla was the eldest child of 3 : often more confident abd talkative. Diana was youngest of 3 sisters, so maybe less so. Who knows??

Thank you Bizziebee
I wonder if Diana would have become ‘less’ shallow as she matured?
It’s easy to forget how young she was when she died. She was only 36, she was just 30 when they divorced.
It’s impossible to compare Diana then to Camilla now

A thoughtful comment there from FannyCornforth.
I agree that Diana had many qualities. However in his documentary Charles made a point of saying that Camilla was exceptionally skilled with people terms of working the room. She has a good sense of humour. Diana stunned and was kind and sympathetic but I think she was perhaps a bit shallow.

I don’t think that she was like that either.
She was accomplished in many areas, including dance and piano.
I can’t imagine that a girl of ‘her breeding’ would have had the education then that she would now.
I’m very into graphology, and her handwriting certainly wasn’t that of a stupid person.
She didn’t have to do all the good things that she did do, as her style and beauty alone garnered all of the attention that she desired.
If she really was ‘vacuous’ it would have been easier for her to shit up and put up, which was what was expected