Why are we angry?

Actually there was 660,000 net immigration last year. Over one million people actually immigrated, but also some emigrated, leaving the net figure. The boat migrants aren’t counted in that figure because they haven’t been processed. The 660,000 were legal immigrants. It’s been announced today that 45,000 people have entered the country via boats since Rishi Sunak entered office as PM.
Of those who entered legally with visas, many work in health care and hospitals. Many are Ukrainians, some of whom are able to work because they speak English, others don’t speak English and so it’s more difficult for them, but some may work, I don’t know. Many others are students who often bring their families with them.
All require housing, medical care, dentists, and schools if they have children.
Some will add to the general congestion because they will buy cars.
All will require energy to heat homes and fuel for any cars they drive.
Some will require help from the benefit system whilst others will pay taxes and insurance contributions.
All will ‘consume’ and therefore contribute to growth in the economy.

I think when people experience poor or absent service from many public bodies including health and social care and feel they cannot influence them to improve then they have a right to be angry, especially with this rotten government.

M0nica

Juliet Are you talking about immigrant boats arriving here or immigrants arriving by other means?

If immigrant boats were arriving and disgorging immigrants without being stopped than we would find the empty boats they came over in littering our beaches. None of the criminals running these boats, want to be caught, so they themselves are not on the boats. The navigation and steering is placed in the hands of one of the immigrants. So these boats do not unload and make a return journey, unstopped boats would be found abandoned on our beaches.

If you mean immigrants smuggling themselves in other ways, then no one can completely stop that unless every lorry, van and car is stopped at the port and made to completely empty itself and be xrayed, which would bring sea transport to a complete halt.

We cross the channel regularly and see all the equipment that the customs people on both sides of the channel use to stop smuggling in of immigrants, gas sensing wands, scanners, personal inspections. And that is just what we see, they also have other means that we do not see.

When we came back from France last week, every single car with a roof box was being put through customs inspection at Ouistrehem. Boxes opened and partially emptied, boots and interiors throughly inspected and, if necessary unloaded.

On the UK side every single caravan , camper van, trailer and van is opened up and inspected when you go through passport control and the customs officers have a list of vehicles that they pull in after they have come through passport controls - and this happens every time. The lorries go through similar procedures

We make this journey up to 10 times a year, and we get pulled in every so often even though we have an estate car and the contents in the back are visible to view.

Yes, other immigrants do get throughillegally, but not in huge numbers. Procedures at ports are very thorough and much of the searchcing is information based, ad the random search programme continues.

Just think how much money the government could save, and the amount of time and frustration to people like MOnica, simply by creating safe routes for asylum seekers, and providing a decent efficient processing of asylum claims.

I find myself sad, not angry, with situations in the world. Ukraine, Russia, Maui, and the news from Atlanta - all quite worrisome.

I'm generally a happy person. However, sadness creeps in.

I wish medical care was better, without necessity of private treatment, I wish pay and pensions could be adjusted upward.

This country is in a mess and it is predominantly due to migration and the government's lack of action. The crime rate has massively increased and the immigrants form a high percentage of it, this is a fact.
Spot, on Elless.
This IS a fact and everyone knows it.

growstuff

So "boat migrants" don't even constitute the majority of immigrants.

Again, I didnt say they did.

GrannyGravy13

The angry people I come across are on GN along with vox pops on news bulletins and politicians (difficult to tell if politicos are angry or just shouty)

In every day life family and friends are just living their lives the best they can, taking things in their stride.

I agrée GG13, particularly your last sentence, that’s my experience of our friends and family.

I am not angry - I am just sad.
I am sad that the NHS is failing, that there are people who feel they have to flee their countries to get a better life, that many of my friends are struggling with health issues and poverty.

So "boat migrants" don't even constitute the majority of immigrants.

M0nica

Fancythat
A net immigration figure of 300,000 people each year is bound to impact on all government services.

It all depends from which direction you are looking. The NHS would collapse totally without the many medical staff that come in every year from all over the world to diagnose treat and nudse us, the smae again with social care.

We all saw the effect the major return home of EU immigrants after Brexit and as a result of COVID, building trades short of craftsmen, hospitality.

Yes, all government areas would struggle without those immigrants

I assume that is what you meant.

Increase of 45, 000 boat migrants per year. Last 3 years or thereabouts. 255,000 net increase of others or thereabouts.

Government services creaking or worse.

Since 2017, I've worked quite hard not to get angry about anything I can't change. It's just not worth it. If I can make a difference, I try hard to do that too.

fancythat

growstuff

fancythat

A net immigration figure of 300,000 people each year is bound to impact on all government services.

Many of those are in the UK perfectly legally, paying taxes and the immigration surcharge of up to £1035 a year. Many UK higher education courses wouldn't run without immigrants.

Many of those are in the UK perfectly legally, paying taxes and the immigration surcharge of up to £1035 a year.

I didnt say they weren't.

That doesnt alter what I wrote.

Considering the financial contribution made to the economy by immigrants, it's a shame doesn't use the money to invest in infrastructure.

Fancythat
A net immigration figure of 300,000 people each year is bound to impact on all government services.

It all depends from which direction you are looking. The NHS would collapse totally without the many medical staff that come in every year from all over the world to diagnose treat and nudse us, the smae again with social care.

We all saw the effect the major return home of EU immigrants after Brexit and as a result of COVID, building trades short of craftsmen, hospitality.

Yes, all government areas would struggle without those immigrants

I assume that is what you meant.

growstuff

fancythat

A net immigration figure of 300,000 people each year is bound to impact on all government services.

Many of those are in the UK perfectly legally, paying taxes and the immigration surcharge of up to £1035 a year. Many UK higher education courses wouldn't run without immigrants.

Many of those are in the UK perfectly legally, paying taxes and the immigration surcharge of up to £1035 a year.

I didnt say they weren't.

That doesnt alter what I wrote.

I get very angry about what is being done to this country, and try not to think too much about it for the sake of my blood pressure. What nakes me really angry is some posters on here assuming that they are right with their "facts" on asylum seekers (not 'illegals), if you seriously believe that the catastrophic state of the NHS, as illustrated by comments on here, is down to the recent number of people seeking sanctuary here, and not down to deliberate Tory policies such as austerity, then.....that makes me angry. Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and their sneering abuse of their positions, that makes me angry. Michelle Mone, and her multi million pound rip off of the taxpayer, that makes me angry. A few desperate individuals from Afghanistan or Iraq do not.

I think a lot of optimism as gone from people as we have seen that our freedom can be taken from us so easily. That brings general disagreeableness and anger. The constant media message is negative. I’m trying to do more happiness-affirming things with my family more recently so my little one doesn’t grow up full of doom and gloom.

Primrose53

I know a lot of people who are very angry about the daily influx of hundreds of people on rubber dinghies. They are angry because people already living here are waiting for social housing, dental care, operations, school places etc. They find the daily news reports depressing as nobody seems to be sorting this out.

I know this will offend some people on here but it is true. It is the most talked about topic we hear from all our customers. Some say “don’t even start me on this. I am sick of it.”

This.

Lovetopaint037

Everywhere there appears to be uncertainty and fear. The media reminds us on a daily basis that the climate is getting worse with more to fear from fires etc. We are afraid to be in need of medical help as it is unlikely we are going to be treated in time to prevent more suffering. Dental treatment is outrageously expensive or unable to be obtained easily.The cost of living is an ever increasing problem with young people facing uncertainty as to what they will be paying for mortgages etc. Covid also left us with a sense of vulnerability that we didn’t have before. Then people dying in an attempt to get here in woefully inadequate dinghy’s or boats. Then the woefully inadequate processing system which has led to so many immigrants roaming around in certain areas unable to work or be of use while locals view them with suspicion. Politicians who lie or give handouts for personal gain. An infrastructure that has been underfunded for years which is highlighted when any pressure is put upon it. Yet staff can’t be found for so many restaurants, care homes, hotels etc etc. Then there are the strikes of doctors, train operators etc etc. Surely all these factors impinge on our daily sense of uncertainty and therefore peace of mind. So what to do? We carry on regardless and glean every happiness we can find in relationships, humour and look forward to better times while grateful for the blessings we have now.

Pretty much sums it up for me too.

GrannyGravy13

The angry people I come across are on GN along with vox pops on news bulletins and politicians (difficult to tell if politicos are angry or just shouty)

In every day life family and friends are just living their lives the best they can, taking things in their stride.

Same here GG.

fancythat

A net immigration figure of 300,000 people each year is bound to impact on all government services.

Many of those are in the UK perfectly legally, paying taxes and the immigration surcharge of up to £1035 a year. Many UK higher education courses wouldn't run without immigrants.

GrannyGravy13

The angry people I come across are on GN along with vox pops on news bulletins and politicians (difficult to tell if politicos are angry or just shouty)

In every day life family and friends are just living their lives the best they can, taking things in their stride.

It is very possible to be both happy, positive, friendly, funny, caring in every day life ... and be angry at what is being done and has been done for so many years, to this amazing country. No contradiction there at all.

GrannyGravy13

The angry people I come across are on GN along with vox pops on news bulletins and politicians (difficult to tell if politicos are angry or just shouty)

In every day life family and friends are just living their lives the best they can, taking things in their stride.

Hear, hear!

I can`t remember the last time i got angry,or Dh,
But 2 of the neighbours can`t talk without shouting and getting angry,i can hear every word she says through the walls.
Who needs soaps eh ?.

A net immigration figure of 300,000 people each year is bound to impact on all government services.

Juliet Are you talking about immigrant boats arriving here or immigrants arriving by other means?

If immigrant boats were arriving and disgorging immigrants without being stopped than we would find the empty boats they came over in littering our beaches. None of the criminals running these boats, want to be caught, so they themselves are not on the boats. The navigation and steering is placed in the hands of one of the immigrants. So these boats do not unload and make a return journey, unstopped boats would be found abandoned on our beaches.

If you mean immigrants smuggling themselves in other ways, then no one can completely stop that unless every lorry, van and car is stopped at the port and made to completely empty itself and be xrayed, which would bring sea transport to a complete halt.

We cross the channel regularly and see all the equipment that the customs people on both sides of the channel use to stop smuggling in of immigrants, gas sensing wands, scanners, personal inspections. And that is just what we see, they also have other means that we do not see.

When we came back from France last week, every single car with a roof box was being put through customs inspection at Ouistrehem. Boxes opened and partially emptied, boots and interiors throughly inspected and, if necessary unloaded.

On the UK side every single caravan , camper van, trailer and van is opened up and inspected when you go through passport control and the customs officers have a list of vehicles that they pull in after they have come through passport controls - and this happens every time. The lorries go through similar procedures

We make this journey up to 10 times a year, and we get pulled in every so often even though we have an estate car and the contents in the back are visible to view.

Yes, other immigrants do get throughillegally, but not in huge numbers. Procedures at ports are very thorough and much of the searchcing is information based, ad the random search programme continues.