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What NHS needs is not more money but needs to be better run

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Callistemon21 Fri 10-Nov-23 12:26:30

SGBoo

This is a little off centre - Western countries pay more for meds. The nhs charges trusts more for meds and kit too. The nhs is also top heavy - salaries are high for people in management.

The NHS is currently treating emergencies which by nature costs more because it can't get on top of more preventative/routine care.

I want the nhs we had when I was growing up. It was well funded and staffed. We had matrons or sisters who made sure wards were ran well, we had health professionals in schools providing vaccines and check ups.
This means we need more qualified health practioners employed not via a bloody agency in our nhs.

The tories have fd up our health care. Get them out. The nhs was making great progress under the last Labour government.

The nhs was making great progress under the last Labour government
No, it wasn't.

Most people seem to forget Mid-Staffs and Stafford Hospital and the subsequent Francis Report. Some of us won't.
Then came the Keogh inquiry.

The NHS is not safe in the hands of any politicians.

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Germanshepherdsmum Fri 10-Nov-23 12:03:05

A NHS mental health trust in my area had been much criticised for the standards of their care. They have paid £800k to a PR company to improve their image. A shocking waste of money. I firmly believe that the NHS is badly organised and run. In the days that SGBoo speaks of we had one NHS. For many years now it has been splintered into numerous separate trusts with their individual management and procurement systems and different ways of doing things.

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Ilovecheese Fri 10-Nov-23 11:45:20

We often get these "how hard can it be?" ideas, everyone thinks they know how to do things better.
Then they start saying that private enterprise could run things better. Yeah right, just like they do the water companies

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SGBoo Fri 10-Nov-23 11:33:07

This is a little off centre - Western countries pay more for meds. The nhs charges trusts more for meds and kit too. The nhs is also top heavy - salaries are high for people in management.

The NHS is currently treating emergencies which by nature costs more because it can't get on top of more preventative/routine care.

I want the nhs we had when I was growing up. It was well funded and staffed. We had matrons or sisters who made sure wards were ran well, we had health professionals in schools providing vaccines and check ups.
This means we need more qualified health practioners employed not via a bloody agency in our nhs.

The tories have fd up our health care. Get them out. The nhs was making great progress under the last Labour government.

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M0nica Fri 10-Nov-23 11:25:19

The OECD has published a report that shows that when it comes the money per head invested in health services the UK is one of the bigger spenders. Only 5 countries in the world spend more - US, Germany, France, japan and Austria.

However, when it comes to outcomes, despite this high expenditure we are way down in the rankings.

For example, on average OECD countries have 4.3 hospital beds for 1,000 people. The UK has 2.3., with only 5 below us. OECD has 38 members, so we are rank 33 out of 38. We have fewer MRI, CT and PET scanners and we also have some of the worst paid nurses.
www.oecd-ilibrary.org/social-issues-migration-health/health-at-a-glance-2023_7a7afb35-en

Surely the time has come for a major review of how the health service is run in this country and why we get such poor outcomes from the money invested and with those in politics and the health service claiming it is underfunded.

It clearly is not under funded, just badly organised and run.

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