Obesity jabs

Doesn't the food industry, marketing etc have some responsibility for the obesity pandemic?

Obesity has become almost normalised.
In one way that's good. After all body shaming was never helpful.

The photo I shared from 1965 tells me that whatever the girls' diet was, it wasn't fattening.

When I was at school some girls had to take spoons of a malt syrup to keep their weight up. Being too thin isn't healthy either.

merlotgran

Shinamae

If these jabs are appetite suppressants they wouldn’t do me any good at all
When I’m eating rubbish, it’s because I fancy it, not because I’m hungry..🤔

You wouldn’t fancy it!

I don’t agree..

Shinamae

If these jabs are appetite suppressants they wouldn’t do me any good at all
When I’m eating rubbish, it’s because I fancy it, not because I’m hungry..🤔

That's what puzzles me.

Grammaretto

Doesn't the food industry, marketing etc have some responsibility for the obesity pandemic?

Obesity has become almost normalised.
In one way that's good. After all body shaming was never helpful.

The photo I shared from 1965 tells me that whatever the girls' diet was, it wasn't fattening.

When I was at school some girls had to take spoons of a malt syrup to keep their weight up. Being too thin isn't healthy either.

Being undernourished isn't healthy - there's a difference. People can be overweight, but not get the nutrition they need. Likewise, some people are stick thin, but seem to thrive because they're well-nourished.

Our lifestyles have changed so much that I fear obesity is only likely to get worse.
Growing up in the 50's there was no fast food. Fish and chips were the only occasional takeaway treat. Nowadays my local area is swamped with mopeds with boxes on the back delivering food to people who only have to walk from the sofa to the door to collect a fatty, ultra processed meal.
The best, simplest and cheapest solution is to eat less of the wrong things, more of the right things and move more. Getting people to do it is the obstacle.

Redhead56

It’s a difficult one some people have got bigger there are fast food outlets everywhere there never used to be. There are dedicated ready meal aisles in every shop now so a lot of people don’t eat from scratch.
I saw my mums weight nearly double when she became ill. She had to pay for her carers as we all worked and couldn’t always prepare her meals. The carers would heat up small ready meals my mum had delivered. The meals were more than she was used to eating before she was ill with dementia. Her mobility was limited after an accident that occurred in her home.
My mum had a very slight figure size 8 and went to a size 14 in less than two years she was only 5ft. Every part of her health suffered because of the weight gain. A sedentary life style and ready meals go hand in hand.
Maybe it’s time for some more able bodied people to put down mobile phones. Get more active and cook for themselves rather than rely on ready meals and takeouts. Long term it can’t be healthy and can cause other problems the NHS has to foot the bill for.

Ready meals don't need to be high calorie.

Sarnia

Our lifestyles have changed so much that I fear obesity is only likely to get worse.
Growing up in the 50's there was no fast food. Fish and chips were the only occasional takeaway treat. Nowadays my local area is swamped with mopeds with boxes on the back delivering food to people who only have to walk from the sofa to the door to collect a fatty, ultra processed meal.
The best, simplest and cheapest solution is to eat less of the wrong things, more of the right things and move more. Getting people to do it is the obstacle.

You definitely have a point. My partner and I very rarely eat takeaways, but my partner is addicted to coffee shops. It's become a standard joke! Unfortunately, for me, it's not so funny because the vast majority of the food available in coffee shops (cakes and pastries) is full of carbs and fat. I look at the counter with yummy looking cakes and sausage rolls, etc and I really wish I could eat them, but I know that I can't because they send my blood glucose levels sky high. Even sandwiches with "healthy" fillings are full of carbs. I'd love to be able to buy a portion of cheese, some nuts or berries with a spoonful of yoghurt, but there wouldn't be any profit for the cafe owners.

There is a long list of criteria that you have to meet before being prescribed the jabs on the nhs - these include a BMI of over 30, referral and attendance to a weight loss clinic etc.
On the long run it will save the NHS money.
It’s only controversial because over weight people are just deemed to be greedy and lazy and this is not always the case.
People have a problem with others ‘cheating’ when it comes to weight loss but a medication that helps to improve the health of the nation is only a good thing!
As a side note - there are so many other things that are funded by NHS that are I feel are way more controversial and not what the nhs was originally intended for

I had a an operation with general anaesthetic on Monday morning so my last meal was Sunday afternoon. Since coming home later that day I have eaten in total an omelette a banana and a small bowl of home made lentil soupx2.
I weighed myself this morning and have gained 2.5 lbs since Sunday. So what is that about?

I am overweight, I don’t like it, it’s been a lifetime struggle despite being fit and very active. We have always eaten healthily, everything cooked from scratch lots of veg, and it must be nearly 40 years since we had a takeaway of any sort.

My diet is far better than my slimmer friends who often eat processed pre prepared food and don’t limit their sugar intake. Most have already had a number of operations and are on regular medication for their conditions.

I take no regular medication other than vitamin D and my first operation was 3 years ago, in my 70 s, so am far from being a drain on the nhs.
Although I completed my hospital questionnaire answering no to every health question I was asked by different staff if I have diabetes heart trouble, lung problems etc etc and can only assume they hadn’t looked at my paperwork or were making instant judgements about me because I am overweight. Just as I feel some judgment on this thread.

I was pleased to hear on the news this morning that there might be changes to bmi which wrongly assumes someone obese is greedy, eats the wrong food and is generally unhealthy and an nhs burden because it isn’t always the case.

So how did I gain 2.5 lbs in 2 days after eating my banana. I just don’t understand it.

Gosh I wish I had the ability to diagnose why people are overweight just by looking at them.

What a judgemental lot. Some medical conditions make it hard to exercise. I hope I don’t meet any of you when I’m out buying chocolate!

I would guess you've never suffered from food related problems. For my whole life, from the age of 10 I have been on one crash diet after another, I then started sensible eating, but I have messed up my system so much and have so many mental issues around food that despite years of therapy I still struggle to maintain a healthy weight. It really is not that simple. It's like saying to an addict just stop. Unless you've had a problem you really can't understand how difficult it is. I have just lost 2 stones (another to go) with weight loss injections and it's been a life changer. I can stop eating when I'm full - a new phenomenon for me - and I don't have uncontrollable cravings. People with food issues are no different than someone who has depression and needs antidepressants to help them. None of this is helped by judgemental people.

I don't eat ready meals, I can't remember the last time I had fish and chips, and most of what I eat is vegetarian as my husband follows a vegetarian diet.

I agree with Melanie123. The judgemental attitudes around weight are unbelievable. I am not obese, but am definitely overweight, and after a lifetime of being slim I can definitely tell the difference in attitudes towards fatties as opposed to the slim. It isn't just on here, where people can be anonymously offensive. It is clear in the way people treat you - it's as though many people see the overweight as inferior beings. Maybe terms like 'the obesity crisis' don't help.

I have Hashimoto’s disease, and it has completely destroyed my thyroid. I also have various medications for Lupus, most of which cause weight gain. It’s very unfair to say that it’s just easy to eat sensibly and exercise and your weight will stabilise. For me that’s not the case. It is a constant struggle to keep my weight at an acceptable level. Last year I was unable to walk for the whole year and it caused me to gain over a stone. I’m now able to walk again so am walking everywhere, am back at Slimming World and have lost 3lbs so far in 3 months. It’s bloody hard! I wish eating and exercising would make enough difference for me but it doesn’t. My BMI is now over 28 and it makes me miserable.

I've been overweight most of my adult life and I've also lost weight and put it back on more times than I'd care to remember! It really isn't as simple as moving more and eating less as food is something we can't avoid if we are addicted - unlike alcohol and drugs. However at almost 64 I'm also fit. I swim twice a week, work FT and am the main support for my L D sister and small grandson.I had a knee replacement 10 days ago and am making an excellent recovery as I have no other health issues whatever. Not all overweight people are lazy, unhealthy slobs and if the jabs are going to help them, then why not?

I’m always battling with my weight and I’m aware that the blame lies with me. I eat too much and hardly exercise. I do believe that I have to be “right in the head” to spur me on to lose weight. It’s happened before. Something just “clicks” and I’m on a new eating plan and I’ve been quite successful in losing weight. Unfortunately though, I’ve allowed myself to gain weight again though I’m not morbidly obese. The day I have to up my sizes from 16/18 is the day I give myself a good talking to! I wouldn’t dream of relying on the NHS to aid my weight loss with injections or a gastric band operation. I also wouldn’t be embarrassed if my doctor mentioned my weight and advised me to lose weight.

Well done for the weight loss pinkrinse.
I lost 2 stones over a longish time and effort with SW and managed to keep it off for over 10 years by weighing myself regularly. It has crept back slowly over the last year which is disappointing as I havnt changed my eating habits but I am still determined and won’t give up.
As for appetite i never seem to feel full, it’s hard. I just can’t overeat. My friend is full up on half a sandwich. That surprises me. I can finish a whole one.

silverlining48

I had a an operation with general anaesthetic on Monday morning so my last meal was Sunday afternoon. Since coming home later that day I have eaten in total an omelette a banana and a small bowl of home made lentil soupx2.
I weighed myself this morning and have gained 2.5 lbs since Sunday. So what is that about?

I am overweight, I don’t like it, it’s been a lifetime struggle despite being fit and very active. We have always eaten healthily, everything cooked from scratch lots of veg, and it must be nearly 40 years since we had a takeaway of any sort.

My diet is far better than my slimmer friends who often eat processed pre prepared food and don’t limit their sugar intake. Most have already had a number of operations and are on regular medication for their conditions.

I take no regular medication other than vitamin D and my first operation was 3 years ago, in my 70 s, so am far from being a drain on the nhs.
Although I completed my hospital questionnaire answering no to every health question I was asked by different staff if I have diabetes heart trouble, lung problems etc etc and can only assume they hadn’t looked at my paperwork or were making instant judgements about me because I am overweight. Just as I feel some judgment on this thread.

I was pleased to hear on the news this morning that there might be changes to bmi which wrongly assumes someone obese is greedy, eats the wrong food and is generally unhealthy and an nhs burden because it isn’t always the case.

So how did I gain 2.5 lbs in 2 days after eating my banana. I just don’t understand it.

The answer is probably water.

Both bananas and lentils are quite high in carbs. When people first go on a low carb diet, they lose loads of weight in the first week or so. That's because the body is losing water.

The reverse is also true. If people fast (as you had done) then eat carb rich food, they'll retain water.

If you don't believe how much water can weigh, weigh yourself before and after you've had a wee. If you've been hanging on for a while, the difference can be quite substantial.

I expect your weight will go back to normal quite soon.

For some individuals, keeping active, eating a moderate amount of food, and cutting down if clothes begin to feel tight, works well. Simple!

However, many others do not and can not regulate their weight that way. Nowhere near as simple!

Trauma, illness, medication, and many other factors contribute to obesity.

It is not enough to give them a 'simple' solution. Their needs differ and are complex. These medications for diabetes control (and weight control) are literally saving lives, and protecting against permanent disabilities. Yes, some healthy individuals use these medicines to maintain or even lose some weight.

I had to smile at DoodleDog and ViceVersa comments, but it does feel that some people have no compassion, understanding, or kindness towards others who struggle desperately because of being overweight. Please let us always be kind, compassionate, and caring as we accept people as they are. They are worthy, acceptable, and valuable members of society that deserve dignity and unstinting support.

It is not up to us to judge another. If slightly overweight people want to take these drugs as a means to getting and remaining slim, well that's their business! They will need to buy those drugs that genuinely obese people have to get prescribed by their health professional.

As a morbidly obese person myself, there needs to be more focus on the mental issue WHY we chose the wrong things. If you get to the core of the problem of overeating the rest will sort itself out. Personally I have a terrible relationship with food, I comfort eat, and things that happened in my childhood have shaped the poor decisions I make around food. I know so many people who have had obesity surgery who still over eat because the underlying problem is still there!

Pinkrinse

I would guess you've never suffered from food related problems. For my whole life, from the age of 10 I have been on one crash diet after another, I then started sensible eating, but I have messed up my system so much and have so many mental issues around food that despite years of therapy I still struggle to maintain a healthy weight. It really is not that simple. It's like saying to an addict just stop. Unless you've had a problem you really can't understand how difficult it is. I have just lost 2 stones (another to go) with weight loss injections and it's been a life changer. I can stop eating when I'm full - a new phenomenon for me - and I don't have uncontrollable cravings. People with food issues are no different than someone who has depression and needs antidepressants to help them. None of this is helped by judgemental people.

I hope you're not talking to me. I'm not being judgmental, but I've never had weight problems despite diabetes and I'm trying to understand. A new concept for me (from reading this thread and doing some background reading) is "food noise". I'd never heard of it and am trying to imagine what it would be like.

Silverlining
You’re not alone. We joke that he can put on a pound with an apple.
He doesn’t like sugar, doesn’t have a sweet tooth, our diet is mainly based on fish. We both ( not deliberately) don’t eat after 6 in the evening until 11 .30 the next day.
The last takeaway we had ( family birthday) was nearly a year ago.
He goes to the gym for 2 hrs Monday to Friday.
Here’s the joke: I eat more than him and rarely waver from 8stone.
I won’t talk about the jab because most on here are experts on it despite the fact that very few of them have taken it or know someone on it.

faringdon59. How shockingly judgemental.

Doodledog

I don't eat ready meals, I can't remember the last time I had fish and chips, and most of what I eat is vegetarian as my husband follows a vegetarian diet.

I agree with Melanie123. The judgemental attitudes around weight are unbelievable. I am not obese, but am definitely overweight, and after a lifetime of being slim I can definitely tell the difference in attitudes towards fatties as opposed to the slim. It isn't just on here, where people can be anonymously offensive. It is clear in the way people treat you - it's as though many people see the overweight as inferior beings. Maybe terms like 'the obesity crisis' don't help.

Home-cooked and vegetarian food can be calorific.