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Cabbie21 Wed 12-Feb-25 18:35:24

A fine of £1.6 million has just been announced for Nottingham hospitals, following safety failures in the maternity departments resulting in the deaths of three babies. The investigations are ongoing in other cases.

Of course hospitals should be held to account. Maybe heads should roll. But how does fining help?

Hospitals are routinely fined for breaching waiting times etc, , which are of course mainly down to not enough staff and other shortages. But how is fining them going to improve services?
What else could be done?

Calendargirl Wed 12-Feb-25 19:13:58

Where does the fine money go?

Who gets it, and what do they do with it?

I know that these huge failures need addressing, but surely the failing trusts end up in an even worse position, with so much less money to invest in services,

Millie22 Wed 12-Feb-25 19:18:55

I'm sure this is the second time the QMC has been fined. I can't understand it.

M0nica Wed 12-Feb-25 20:26:16

Fining public bodies only disadvantages the users. If a hospital is found at fault, the management should be fined personally or sacked.

NonGrannyMoll Wed 12-Feb-25 20:29:24

When the NHS is crying out for more funds, it seems counter-productive to take money from them. What struggling departments need is an injection of money for better training and more useful staff, surely?

kittylester Wed 12-Feb-25 20:39:09

Millie22

I'm sure this is the second time the QMC has been fined. I can't understand it.

This was not QMC but the City Hospital - but both are part of Nottingham University Hospital Trust.

Cabbie21 Wed 12-Feb-25 22:09:29

It is both City and QMC.
It was said that the fine would have been much greater if it had been a private company. It is to be repaid over two years.
I am trying to find out where the money goes.

keepingquiet Wed 12-Feb-25 22:12:19

It just goes around in a circle. City Hospital pays the fine- QMC benefits.

Cabbie21 Wed 12-Feb-25 22:26:12

The articles I can find date from 2015-2016 and refer to fines for missing government targets eg for waiting times, and are paid to the CCG, Clinical Commissioning Group, which then reallocates the money to new strategies to improve waiting times. So yes, a circular movement.
But I can’t so far find any information about what happens to the current maternity department fines

Millie22 Thu 13-Feb-25 08:53:20

Ah sorry I thought it was only the QMC.

I still can't see how a fine helps anyone.

Step4gran Thu 13-Feb-25 13:53:13

It seems that this fine is to be paid to the governing body (I didn't hear properly) I was still astonished that none of the families who were failed are to benefit from the fining (although who could put a price on a baby's life)?

missdeke Thu 13-Feb-25 14:56:06

According to google 'The money generated through these fines, which are levied by local and national commissioners, has historically been reinvested back into providers to help them address the underlying causes of performance target breaches.

mabon1 Thu 13-Feb-25 16:44:38

Yes indeed, otherwise it's tax payers money which pays
the fine.

Poppyred Thu 13-Feb-25 16:50:10

It goes to the Treasury, heard them say on the news last night. Surely the staff concerned should be disciplined/held to account? Fining the NHS does not impact on them at all does it.

Cossy Thu 13-Feb-25 16:52:05

I’m pretty sure these fines and medical compensation will be paid from insurance.

No idea who actually receives the money nor what happens to it.

Iam64 Thu 13-Feb-25 16:54:47

It seems a strange way to attempt to improve practice.

Patsy70 Thu 13-Feb-25 17:02:21

M0nica

Fining public bodies only disadvantages the users. If a hospital is found at fault, the management should be fined personally or sacked.

I agree.

cc Thu 13-Feb-25 18:57:42

M0nica

Fining public bodies only disadvantages the users. If a hospital is found at fault, the management should be fined personally or sacked.

I agree with you, but all that is likely to happen is that management will quietly slip away sideways into a virtually identical post.