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keepingquiet Thu 01-May-25 17:16:26

Went to see a GP today because my QRisk results showed I might benefit from taking statins.

The conversation ensued was interesting and at times quite surreal.

The main advice I left with was that I should eat a salad before every meal- not for my cholesterol but for my pre-diabetes. Even before breakfast, and then after my main meal take a walk.

I am willing to give anything a try and I have no idea where this advice originated, but as I'm having bloods taken next week so I thought I might give it a try!

Anyone heard of this?

The next question is what is your favourite salad? This 'starter' salad can't contain any dairy or protein, be purely plant based and no fruit.

Any suggestions anyone- cost is also a factor so I don't want expensive or weird ingredients that are difficult to find.

I'll let you know how I get on!

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SparklyGrandma Thu 08-May-25 14:05:47

And eating a large salad three times a day will be expensive in these times.
Especially if what’s needed to make one is fresh salad ingredients.

keepingquiet Tue 06-May-25 22:56:49

Sorry Venus but that sounds like the diet from hell!

One I avoid dairy so frying in double cream?? Not a chance.

I do eat grilled steaks though.

I have one coffee a day and it is a pleasure for me, as is occasional wine.

I'd rather risk the statins tbh...one has to have some joy in life.

VenusDeVillendorf Tue 06-May-25 16:51:19

The results are in for taking statins and they increase your life expectancy for four days only. That’s 4 days.

The drastically reduce your cognition, and have horrible side effects.

Bonkers that the GP even suggested them.

Research shows that a low carb ketogenic or carnivore diet - that’s high fat (70% calories) and protein (30%) - so eat butter, lard, beef, bacon, eggs can reverse diabetes and cardiovascular diseases and increase cognition.

You’ll lose weight too. Get fatty cuts and eat more than you think you should. Eat twice a day - eggs fried in double cream for breakfast, and a fatty steak only for dinner.

No more than 20g carbohydrates.
No alcohol, no coffee.
You’ll be right as rain in no time.

Salads contain oxalates, which make kidney stones. Leave them to the herbivores who have four stomachs and can chew the cud.

ExDancer Tue 06-May-25 10:45:20

I once stayed in a hotel where they served a green salad before every meal, (not breakfast). It was in Morocco so I expect it was French influence.
But what if you're like me and honestly don't like greens, even lettuce?
I've tried and tried but its really quite a chore, they taste bitter and are difficult to swallow? (my husband loves them, even sprouts - raw or cooked)
I'd rather have a pill.

JojoW Tue 06-May-25 10:32:54

It’s a scientific study showing eating greens before a meal lowers blood glucose as does walking after a meal.

Warbler Tue 06-May-25 08:00:48

Don't forget to add the toasted hazelnuts.....mmmmmm

Warbler Tue 06-May-25 08:00:11

Anything raw goes.......I also love to use a mandolin (for slicing thinly) and a grater and then I slather it with olive oil and balsamic mostly. I've recently become addicted (!) to kale. I never thought I would say that, but it's got a fabulous punch of iron and fibre. Mix the colours. Colourful is the way to go.

keepingquiet Mon 05-May-25 21:43:07

Funnily enough it does make me feel full, but it doesn't have to be a huge salad. I can wait quite a while before eating my protein...

RillaofIngleside Mon 05-May-25 21:41:26

I use them. A freestyle libre costs around £50 per fortnight. I have an account with freestyle libre as I've self funded for many years, not sure if they sell them direct now.

SparklyGrandma Mon 05-May-25 20:57:54

A purely green salad will not make you feel full. Protein does. What about adding some salted nuts to your salad, eg almonds or cashews?

emilie Mon 05-May-25 20:46:17

Is your GP young?

N4nna Mon 05-May-25 18:44:49

I was having nightmares when taking Statins. A friend has muscle wastage… Dr suggested coming off them for a couple of months, haven’t started them again. But I have heard drinking beetroot juice is good for lowering cholesterol… I have a carton in the fridge still yet to try it…

Allira Mon 05-May-25 17:39:14

I'll go and wash the salad leaves ready for tomorrow's breakfast. 🤔

Colls Mon 05-May-25 17:37:04

Mirren

Why was this bonkers ?
Us GPs can't win !
You received sensible advice to keep you well and, hopefully, stop you needing medication or becoming diabetic.
What's the poor GP to do ?
Dole out pills ...we get criticism.
Don't dole out pills...same !
No magic wands , you know.
We aren't Harry Potter!!!

It's fab advice! Cherish that GP!
Eating salad etc at the start of a neal results in the carbs in the meal being digested more slowly and so avoiding a sugar spike.
Traditionally meals started with a salad. Restaurants fill you up with bread as it is cheap and filling - but bad for blood sugar.
Keeping you BS low will, with luck result in better metabolic health and that you dont need statins. Win win!
Pharma companies are constantly pushing statins and lowering the threash-hold where they are 'indicated'.
Your GP is doing well to ID the potential cause of the problem and nudge you away from it while you still have time.

Allira Mon 05-May-25 17:23:26

Quite honestly, I'd take anything Inchauspie claims with a pinch of salt (actually, I wouldn't because I avoid salt). She earns her money from "influencing" and her claims aren't always based on science.
😁

One problem that people I know are having lately is low sodium levels. Would this be due to the fact we are told to avoid salt because it increases blood pressure?

SGBoo Mon 05-May-25 17:21:10

Yes your sugar increased is moderated if you each low GI foods beforehand and we should all walk for 10/15 mins after eating.

Good luck

FranP Mon 05-May-25 16:33:55

Old fashioned idea was grapefruit to start breakfast BUT these are a no-no with statins, but perhaps kiwi or fresh orange. Fruit is OK for diabetes but not juice because this increases the absorption of sugar. Bananas are Ok, but only if they are still to the green end of ripe.
Has your GP mentioned porridge or overnight oats with red fruits?
Has he/she suggested the online NHS course for pre-diabetics? Great info there.

escaped Mon 05-May-25 16:32:44

Wow Mirren, that's a bit of a rant at keepingquiet!

It's We doctors (subject ), not Us doctors.

MayBee70 Mon 05-May-25 16:21:05

Mirren

Why was this bonkers ?
Us GPs can't win !
You received sensible advice to keep you well and, hopefully, stop you needing medication or becoming diabetic.
What's the poor GP to do ?
Dole out pills ...we get criticism.
Don't dole out pills...same !
No magic wands , you know.
We aren't Harry Potter!!!

I like a doctor that looks outside the box. Especially one that wants to help people keep healthy and not need to see a doctor!

keepingquiet Mon 05-May-25 15:56:42

Mirren it only seemed bonkers at the time. I can't reveal the whole consultation but after reading the posts on here I now realise that maybe it was good advice.

The consultation began with- 'I can't deal with two things if you have more than one issue you will have to make another appointment...'

In the end she praised me for my motivation to keep healthy and even said it made a change to have an 'intellectual' conversation as she put it.

I wasn't GP bashing and I'm sorry if it seemed that way, but I won't go into the other things that were discussed that made me feel frustrated. I do realise that GPs are often at the mercy of practice managers and government initiatives and IT systems etc- but it does help if Doctors look at you when you walk instead of staring at a screen...

Mollygo Mon 05-May-25 15:13:50

Mirren, if you didn’t ask,
“What would you like me to do?”
Thats a good start.

Mirren Mon 05-May-25 15:02:20

Why was this bonkers ?
Us GPs can't win !
You received sensible advice to keep you well and, hopefully, stop you needing medication or becoming diabetic.
What's the poor GP to do ?
Dole out pills ...we get criticism.
Don't dole out pills...same !
No magic wands , you know.
We aren't Harry Potter!!!

Jessica1112 Mon 05-May-25 14:58:13

There’s a lot of chat going around about taking statins. I would opt for what you are doing. Look up “ The Glucose Goddess” for more info on diabetes.
It seems weird having salads in the morning but she has some recipes that may be more affordable like veggie omelette for breakfast amongst other things. Hope this helps.