From Frail to Hale and Hearty

Lathyrus3

And blow your nose😬

At a Slimming club I used to go to, one of the ladies would take all her rings, earrings and bracelets off before weigh-in! We wondered why she bothered to put them on in the first place!

My consultant gave me a sheet called From Frail to Hale and Hearty

The name of the diet sheet would be enough to make me want to rip it up and put it in his/her waste bin, especially having been diagnosed with something like Parkinson's or indeed anything else.

butterandjam

"It is all scotch eggs, pork pies, fried eggs etc"

That's just not true.

There are lots of good suggestions on that diet sheet please read before dismissing it.

<https://www.nhshighland.scot.nhs.uk/media/3nllhvqs/from-frail-to-hale-and-hearty.pdf>

For someone who can't face cooking, Scotch eggs and pork pies are easily available, ready-made foods that need no heating, can be kept in the fridge. Useful high calorie high protein food to put weight ON, for someone who can't cook or with a tiny appetite ; just take tiny portions.

Plenty of options on the list for anyone who wants to make fresh food from scratch.

The one DH was given (different area) sounded rather like the one Tiziz was given. I binned it.

I've just looked at an updated one and it recommends such delights as Cowboy Casserole (first catch your cowboy), Blueberry Bostock, Peanut Butter Crumble. 🤔

And blow your nose😬

Tizliz

Yes, small portions of favourite foods are much more palatable.
OH made mashed potatoes which I am sure was 50% potatoes to 50% butter and I ate a reasonable portion. I hate it when we eat late.

Think the bathroom scales should be hidden - despite efforts over last two days lost another pound. Though that could be due to lack of constipation (sorry too much info).

😀
That did make me smile, TizLiz
I do remember someone saying at a Weightwatchers meeting (obviously the opposite problem to yours):
"Always make sure you go to the loo before you come to a Weightwatchers meeting!"

We also are not aware of what other health conditions this poster has.

post not pos

A bit late returning to pos.
But M0nica, this poster has Parkinsons.
Nothing to do with self neglect or anything else.

"It is all scotch eggs, pork pies, fried eggs etc"

That's just not true.

There are lots of good suggestions on that diet sheet please read before dismissing it.

<https://www.nhshighland.scot.nhs.uk/media/3nllhvqs/from-frail-to-hale-and-hearty.pdf>

For someone who can't face cooking, Scotch eggs and pork pies are easily available, ready-made foods that need no heating, can be kept in the fridge. Useful high calorie high protein food to put weight ON, for someone who can't cook or with a tiny appetite ; just take tiny portions.

Plenty of options on the list for anyone who wants to make fresh food from scratch.

Tizliz

Yes, small portions of favourite foods are much more palatable.
OH made mashed potatoes which I am sure was 50% potatoes to 50% butter and I ate a reasonable portion. I hate it when we eat late.

Think the bathroom scales should be hidden - despite efforts over last two days lost another pound. Though that could be due to lack of constipation (sorry too much info).

Thinking of those potatoes - I discovered years back that the Dutch do mayonnaise with chips. Yep....I thought that was nice.

Then there's the "cheesy chips" one can get in pubs here in Britain.

One could put a cheese sauce with a lot of things imo - speaking as a distinct fan of it....

Fortified milk is good. One pint of full fat milk with 4 tablespoons of Marvel dried milk..or similar...whisked in. And use this for all drinks. It provides 600 calories with plenty of protein.
Make custard with it and serve with fruit crumble plus cream on top.
Cheese and biscuits after your meal.
I followed the Macmillan build you up diet before I started chemo as I had lost a great deal of weighr.

Five smaller meals a day instead of 3 and have snacks in between. Good luck OP

Potatoes mashed with milk and lots of butter would tick the right boxes.

Well done, TizLiz!

I think I read that Parkinson’s can make you want to eat chocolate so maybe that’s why the diet advises against it. On my cholesterol lowering diet I’m treating myself to a few chunks of dark chocolate a day. I know that, going back a few years, when I lost my appetite because of illness, once I’d got over the ‘only wanting to eat toast’ phase the thing that I always fancied when I was on the mend were Birds Eye beefburgers.

When I was underweight my GP told me to eat rice pudding made with full fat milk and cream and also puddings with custard. As someone else has said, there comes a stage when healthy eating isn’t relevant and could actually be detrimental, when the body needs fats and carbohydrates.

Allira

My DH lost a lot of weight when he had an extended stay in hospital, TizLiz and was given a dirt sheet by the hospital nutritionist.

The food was just very high calorie because it was so high in fat - butter, cream, etc.

So I worked out healthy, palatable meals and did include butter, some cream but not in the quantities recommended.

Some people do condemn ready meals as being unhealthy because they are too high in fat but I think they do have a place, especially if you are not feeling like cooking and also need to put on weight.

M&S, Waitrose, Charlie Bigham are the ones we prefer.

I'm very sorry to hear about your diagnosis. A friend has just been diagnosed with this too.

Thank you

With the help of my friend just made a cheese and lentil loaf with a good helping of cream. So that is tonight sorted

wasnt appealing

I agree what Tizliz said was appealing for anyone, but I did take the trouble to look up the diet sheet she referred to and I think she was presenting it unfairly, perhaps to convince herself it wasn’t to be filled.

It was very comprehensive and included a whole range of foods, suggestions for tempting meals and advice on how to add a little bit and a snack there, for those with poor appetite.

I really think she should not “Chuck it away” but try to follow the advice her doctor has given her.

Lathyrus3

Not arguing with you Nandalot, but I believe that high protein can actually be harmful when a patient has reached this stage in her=nutrition because the kidneys and other organs don’t have the resources to deal with it,

Calories, especially essential fats first and carbohydrates come first.

That’s interesting, Lathyrus. Helpful info.

My DH lost a lot of weight when he had an extended stay in hospital, TizLiz and was given a dirt sheet by the hospital nutritionist.

The food was just very high calorie because it was so high in fat - butter, cream, etc.

So I worked out healthy, palatable meals and did include butter, some cream but not in the quantities recommended.

Some people do condemn ready meals as being unhealthy because they are too high in fat but I think they do have a place, especially if you are not feeling like cooking and also need to put on weight.

M&S, Waitrose, Charlie Bigham are the ones we prefer.

I'm very sorry to hear about your diagnosis. A friend has just been diagnosed with this too.

Lathyrus3

‘All the things that diet sheet suggests……”

Have you actually have taken a look at the diet sheet MOnica?

There are lots of tasty suggestions for meals and ways to boost calories within your normal diet. And for small between meal snack.

I think it is a good diet sheet for someone In Tizliz’s position where calorie intake has become a matter of serious concern and there are nutritional needs that out of the norm.

As described by TizLiz, it sounded revolting.

I do have experience of deaing with someone suffering from self neglect and I did exactly what i described in my lst post, tiny portions, nicely presented and enriched food, In one case slices of the Christmas cake I found in he freezer.

When he was taaken to hospital I went to see him. On his tray was a huge portion of steak pie, boiled potatoes and carrots and a lump of dark brown gelatinous gravy that you could pick up in one piece and looked like a cow turd. Beside it was a huge piece of apple tart and custard tat could be picked up like an omelette.

The nurse looked at me accusing ly and said 'He won't eat any lunch'. My response was that if that was what they were expecting him to eat, I wasn't surprised he wasn't eating it, I wouldn't want to eat it either. After that they did start offering him yoghourt and those enriched milk drinks in cartons.

I normally agree with you, but I think Chuck it away and bring your pwn natural intelligence to the issue., could be dangerous advice in this instance.

‘All the things that diet sheet suggests……”

Have you actually have taken a look at the diet sheet MOnica?

There are lots of tasty suggestions for meals and ways to boost calories within your normal diet. And for small between meal snack.

I think it is a good diet sheet for someone In Tizliz’s position where calorie intake has become a matter of serious concern and there are nutritional needs that out of the norm.

Yes, small portions of favourite foods are much more palatable.
OH made mashed potatoes which I am sure was 50% potatoes to 50% butter and I ate a reasonable portion. I hate it when we eat late.

Think the bathroom scales should be hidden - despite efforts over last two days lost another pound. Though that could be due to lack of constipation (sorry too much info).

I am constantly amazed at the ignorance of medical authorities of the psychology as well as basic facts of nutrition. If someone has lost interest in food, all the things that diet sheets suggested you eat are just the things to kill your appetite.

If someone is not eating enough and is losing weight they need to be tempted to eat. Be offered small portions of food nicely presented.

What you need to do is look at the foods you normally eat and see how they can have their calory count increased. For example, if you are having boiled potatoes with a meal, make sure you put plenty of butter on them. If you have a salad, have mayonnais not salad cream.

Make sure that you do not make portions too big, I know that sounds odd, but a huge plate of food can be intimidating. A small plate of food, presented so that it is pleasing to the eye, on a pretty plate on a laid table, even just a kitchen table, is much more inviting to eat than a huge plate of pie and chips with gravy, so more likely to be eaten.

Have set times for meals, and stick to them. Then when you have your morning/afternoon/evening drinks always accompany them with several squares of milk or fruit and nut chocolate.

You clearly understand the rules of nutrition better than the person who gave you this ridiculous diet sheet. Chuck it away and bring your pwn natural intelligence to the issue.

Small quantities of food you really enjoy/enjoyed, attractively presented at regular meal times and enriched with butter, cheese, fruit and veg - and plenty f chocolate with your cups of tea and coffee.